As to the continuous comments that if we don't support Ron Paul, then the Republic is dead, I beg to differ.  I spent a few hours tonight chatting one-on-one with some fellow Tea Partiers @ our monthly meeting, round-table informal and friendly.  Hard-core RP supporters.  On the question of our "interventionist" policies RP supporters are so hard-headed about, I ask a simple question: Was it interventionist policies that caused us to initiate a missle-defense system to neuter the threat of Russian and Chinese aggression in Poland and Eastern Europe...that Obama withdrew?  Why were the Eastern Europeans upset that the Kenyan reneged and left them holding their ass in their hands?  Did we FORCE it on them?  NO.  Working off of Reagan's "peace-through-strength" philosophy has been extremely beneficial for many in this world, and many nations in this world look to the ONLY beacon of hope that will sacrifice it's own blood and treasure to PROTECT THOSE WHO ARE UNABLE TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM TYRANNY AND DESPOTISM.  Do we need to be the world's policeman, many RP supporters ask rhetorically?  Does defending yourself and your friends and neighbors make you some vicious policeman?  RP's isolationist tendencies will get us killed, and a whole lot of other people as well, because he and his supporters just cannot imagine that just "being nice" and ignoring an ugly reality  is going to get you gutted when you're not looking.  ObamabinBiden is one of those, although for reasons completely unrelated to "isolationism."  There is good and evil in this world, and there is a huge preponderance of EVIL that would love to see freedom smudged out completely.  

I will not get into all of my reasons as to why I think Ron Paul is dangerous, but here are a few of the most prominent besides that just mentioned:  1) He has the appearance of an old, goofy looking/sounding crank, with the baggage of his racist newsletter he once published, among other things;  2)  There is no way he will be able to beat Barack Obama and his criminal machine, for a variety of reasons, one being his temperment;  3) He, just like every single other Constitutional officer and elected representative, have completely abrogated his/their Article 6 Sec. 3 Constitutional Oaths to uphold the Constitution.  Read it.  By the abject failure to call to task Obama, Holder, the entire DOJ, all of Obama's appointees and all of Obama's CRIMINAL activities and violations of the Constitution & Bill of Rights they have made themselves complicit, by misprison of felony and more, in all the criminal and un-Constitutional actions perpetrated on their watch, under their noses, and aided and abetted Treason and High Crimes and Misdemeanors.  

So James, you may be asking...who the hell do you support then?

That's a damn good question, glad you asked.  At this point, it's too early for me to say, which is why my favorite shirt has emblazoned across the front "POLITICALLY UNREPRESENTED."  And here's my thinking about all of this:  It is absolutely critical that Obama/Biden be removed at the STATE LEVEL from the ballot.  INELIGIBLE must be forced to the surface by legislative initiatives in every state possible by forcing him and every single candidate to PRODUCE VALID DOCUMENTATION AS TO ARTICLE 2 ELIGIBILITY.  Here in Georgia there are already a few efforts by state reps underway to put this into effect...and it must be accomplished at the legislative level and enforced upon each states' ELECTORS.  This is the only hope we have...I do not see any other.  Our reps at the Federal level are not listening, have not been listening, and WILL NOT take any action that is required of them and demanded by we the people and the Rule of Law.  

Obamabinbiden and the international elite that have been behind this criminal takeover in '08 are way ahead of us.  The "elections" of '12 have already been rigged.  ACORN was never taken down...they exploded into dozens more new groups flying under the radar.  Holder and the DOJ are doing everything possible to allow all the dead & made-up folks of 2008 to be able to vote again in bigger numbers with this ill-concealed effort to sue states that are initiating voter-ID laws.  You know, don't you, that you can't even get welfare without valid ID?  So just who do you think this "initiative" is geared towards?  If it rhymes with "illegal alien" you got it right.

The huge illegal foreign contributions and other illegal donations of '08 to Obamabinbiden have yet to be addressed by the Federal Election Commission...I am SHOCKED.  They are still "under investigation."   It will be a mere pittance compared to 2012.    

So I am not so much concerned with the riff-raff running on the GOP ticket right now, as they so far have completely refused to address the elephant in the room, and show no signs whatsoever of doing so.  This must be done at the state level, where it should originate anyway, and the sovereignty of the states and the people of the states must be VIGOROUSLY re-asserted, our Rule of Law and strict adherence to the Constitution & Bill of Rights AND the Declaration of Independence RECLAIMED AND ENFORCED, as they are all inextricably intertwined, along with the future of our children, grandchildren, and the longest-surviving Republic mankind has ever known.


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Comment by james seigfreid on December 28, 2011 at 10:20pm

Joe-At the risk of getting into a pissing contest with someone I would rather be working with to right the "ship of state", as it were, the documents (plural) have been out there.  I stand by my assertions that if it had my name on it, and my signature, I'd better be reading it.  If NOT, then that is a failure tantamount to "I saw the bill but didn't read it...and then I voted on it."  Maybe it's possible that Fox News and all the fact-checkers just foto-shopped it.  Not likely, as RP has not done a very good job of de-bunking it.   Now it is quite obvious to me that the only reason we are spread so thin militarily is because our MILITARY HAS BEEN STRIPPED DOWN.  What we are debating here is more than semantics.  "Countries that hate us" is not entirely accurate when you're talking about countries that we have enduring relationships with.  I understand and agree with a lot of RP's Constitutional proclivities, but they are nothing more than proclivities.  He has taken the adage of Madison to "avoid all entanglements with Europe" past the point that Madison was making.  Let me just cut to the chase here...I'll reassert the point that John Adams made in 1775 in a letter he wrote to his wife Abigail.  Adams was one of the few "radicals" that were for complete independence from King George; the "moderates" were for some form of continuing subjugation from Britain, and this is so prescient to our troubles today that it is breathtaking-remember that we are talking about a form of tyranny in that day, compared to a form of tyranny now in OUR day, one from Britain then, and from our own out-of-control Federal government NOW: "We shall be convinced that the Cancer is too deeply rooted and too far spread to be cured by anything short of cutting it out entirely."  He continued with this observation, that "the moderates are waiting for a messiah that will never come."

So Joe, in all honesty, I cannot support Ron Paul, or any of the others at this point, because they are all "moderates," and I am a "radical."  I support no party.  I support no "candidate" because there does not exist one single true patriot to the cause of Liberty.  They are all part of the same dysfunctional system...and the entire cancer needs to be removed.  Now, the next question I'm sure I will be asked would run along the lines of "but would you vote for so&so or for Obama, or would you sit out the election?"  Well, I won't be sitting anything out, I can assure you of that.  :)  We need to be working towards the goal of ridding this country of the national nightmare we've been forced to endure BEFORE THE ELECTIONS EVER OCCUR.  I just don't know how to make it any more clear than are wasting your time supporting RP-Bachman-Santorum-Romney-Gingrich-WHOTHEHELLEVER!   THIS IS ALL A DISTRACTION!!!

Comment by james seigfreid on December 28, 2011 at 6:15pm

Joe Hart; Thanks for the reply, but I'm nobody's parrot.  You have slightly distorted the was not just ONE 27 year old document.  And, if it were my publication, I don't care if it were signed by auto-pen, me or my PARROT I would damn sure have read it and either accepted it for publication or rejected it and said START OVER.  Now, the power to declare war rests with the Congress.  My views on foreign policy differ from Paul's, obviously.  I didn't say I was "afraid" of Ron Paul, I said I was afraid of his POLICIES, which are isolationist in a world far removed from the days of 1787, and which there is ample resonance in our Constitution to address.  I never said he was dangerous because he wants to defend our country...although I find that hard to do if his intention to dismantle the military were allowed to go forward in any manner.  Now, if you will go back and re-read my post, you will find out in the last few paragraphs WHAT I REALLY DO WANT, and HOW I BELIEVE IT CAN ONLY BE DONE.  This has to be done beyond the fog of candidate/partisan zeal.  Excuse me, I must go feed my PARROT...



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Judicial Watch->  Emails Show Dossier-Connected Obama State Dept Officials Set ‘Face-To-Face’ Meeting On ‘Russian Matter’ Shortly Before 2016 Election

Judicial Watch and the Daily Caller News Foundation on Thursday released 84 pages of documents showing Obama’s State Department was central to pushing the ‘Trump-Russia’ hoax shortly before the 2016 election.

The email exchange between then-Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and Special Coordinator for Libya Jonathan Winer, a very close associate to Christopher Steele, show them discussing a ‘face-to-face’ meeting in New York on a ‘Russian matter’ in September of 2016.

Via Judicial Watch:

Judicial Watch and The Daily Caller News Foundation today released 84 pages of documents, including a September 2016 email exchange between then-Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and Special Coordinator for Libya Jonathan Winer, a close associate of dossier author Christopher Steele, discussing a “face-to-face” meeting on a “Russian matter.”

(In June 2016 Nuland permitted a meeting between Steele and the FBI’s legal attaché in Rome. Nuland told CBS News that the State Department knew about the Steele dossier by July 2016.)

According to an op-ed Winer wrote for The Washington Post in 2018, also in September 2016, “Steele and I met in Washington and discussed the information now known as the “dossier… I prepared a two-page summary and shared it with Nuland, who indicated that, like me, she felt that the secretary of state needed to be made aware of this material.”

A September 17, 2016, email exchange between Nuland and Winer – that was classified in the interest of national defense or foreign policy – discusses the political situation in Libya, but also brings up a “Russian matter:”

From: Winer, Jonathan
Sent: September 17, 2016 at 12:40:00 PM EDT
To: Nuland, Victoria J
Subject: Re: Libya Update

Would like to discuss this and a Russian matter.

From: Nuland, Victoria J
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 1:31 PM
To: Winer, Jonathan
Subject: Re. Libya Update

In ny face to face?

From: Winer, Jonathan
Sent: September 17, 2016 at 1:56:05 PM EDT
To: Nuland, Victoria J
Subject: Re: Libya Update

Yes that was [sic] be good.

From: Nuland, Victoria J
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 1:58 PM
To: Winer, Jonathan
Subject: Re. Libya Update

Good. I’ll reach out when im there Sunday. [Redacted]

If Victoria Nuland’s name sounds familiar it’s because she has been on Judicial Watch’s radar for a long time and in many of TGP’s previous reports.

In December 2018, Judicial Watch released documents revealing that Victoria Nuland was involved in the Obama State Department’s urgent gathering of classified Russia investigation information and disseminating it to members of Congress within hours of Donald Trump taking office.

In a related lawsuit, Judicial Watch is suing the State Department communications between Ambassador Nuland and employees of Fusion GPS, as well as top ranking Department of Justice, FBI, and State Department officials.

“The Obama State Department was central to the effort to target President Trump with the Russia smear,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “These new emails further show that senior Obama State Department advanced the Russiagate hoax just before the 2016 presidential election.”

Tom Fitton   @TomFitton

BREAKING: Obama State Department was central to the effort to target President @RealDonaldTrump with the Russia smear. New emails show how senior Obama State Department advanced the Russiagate hoax just before the 2016 presidential election.

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