Don't Ask Don't Tell - A Behind The Scenes Look

Until now I have been silent on the “Don't Ask, Don't Tell” (DADT)debate.  I guess I figured that sanity would prevail.  Now we know that is not the case.  As a continued act of betrayal, eight Senate Republicans stood with 53 democrats and 2 independents to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell, a policy which has been in place since 1993. 

The eight Republicans were: Senator Scott Brown of Massachusetts (newly elected with the help of the Tea Party), Lisa Murkowski of Alaska (re-elected as a write-in candidate), newly elected Mark Kirk of Illinois, liberal retiring lame duck George Voinovich of Ohio took one last opportunity to betray his party, newly reelected Richard Burr of North Carolina, John Ensign of Nevada (who is up for election in 2012), Susan Collins of Maine (who is up for reelection in 2014) and Olympia Snowe of Maine (who is up for election in 2012).

I will go into the moral side of this discussion later, but let us address first the consequences and real agenda of the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell.  

4063262439?profile=originalIf you are foolish enough to believe that the anti-American, anti-military factions that are pushing this agenda are doing so because of their love and admiration for the homosexual community, you are dangerously naive, far too gullible to be in a position of leadership, or your family tree stopped forking a few generations back. This will do to the military what a computer virus does to a hard drive.  More on this later, but let me start with where I stand on the issue. 

I am not a "seek and destroy Christian zealot" who believes the government should reside in the bedroom of American homes.  I don't believe that what goes on between a man and a woman is any of government's business.  Nor is it the business of the community unless it affects the community.  If you turn your home into a brothel, you are making my neighborhood unsafe for my family by bringing in a criminal element and potential sexual predators.  You will have my full attention at that point in time. 

4063262476?profile=originalLikewise, I am not interested at all in the private consensual behavior of the homosexual community.  If you live in my neighborhood and I hear whispers about these "guys" who live in that house on the corner, I am forced dismiss such rumors because under the law that I honor, Biblical law, unless there are two eye witnesses, no charge cannot be brought against anyone for anything.  However, the minute you start having raucous parties where public indecency is displayed, you have made your lifestyle my business.  Further, when one begins parading up and down the city streets of major cities in America (see: San Francisco Gay Pride Parade) naked, flaunting one's sexuality, and demanding special rights, you and I will find ourselves on opposite sides of the sexual divide … no ifs ands or butts about it.   

4063262401?profile=originalLikewise, when you join the military and demand special rights to accommodate your sexual lifestyle, you have crossed the line.  If we, as a nation, have to make special provisions to accommodate your sexual proclivities, where does it end?  Should we not then have special provisions for polygamists?  How about people that love their animals in that "special way" … shouldn't they have special protection?  If homosexuality is "natural human behavior," isn't bestiality as well?  After all, didn't God make us all the way we are?

And, of course, everyone knows we need special protections for those who love little boys, like NAMBLA.  They are so misunderstood and hated, but didn't God make them that way?  Why should they be punished for "natural human behavior"?

And how about other groups like necrophilias?  Do you have any idea how difficult a public relations task selling this life style is?  It’s just so hard to find understanding for these poor folks.  Their outlook is so grave that I believe Harry Reid should sponsor a bill yet today just for them.  Who knows … in this lame duck congress (that for the bestiality folks), even a bill for necrophilias may not be dead on arrival, which would probably leave necrophilias with mixed emotions. 

4063262499?profile=originalBack to Don't Ask Don't Tell.  There are some good sides to having openly gay men in the barracks with straights.  First, it might stimulate the economy.  I mean, if we have a couple million soldiers all buying soap on a rope, it is bound to boost the economy of soap on a rope makers.  And I think serving in a forward position with an openly gay man would have a tendency to keep one awake in the foxhole … or anywhere else for that matter.  Awkward isn't it?   Being in forward position while fighting a rear guard action?  But I digress.  There are, in reality, serious health issues at stake.    

A study of homosexual men shows that more than 75% of homosexual men admitted to having sex with more than 100 different males in their lifetime; approximately 15% claimed to have had 100-249 sex partners; 17% claimed 250-499 partners; 15% claimed 500-999 partners, and 28% claimed more than 1,000 lifetime sexual partners according to

Homosexuality seems to be a highly lustful lifestyle with the average homosexual having hundreds of sex partners during their lifetime.  How is that going to play out in the barracks?  Are the barracks going to become a hedonistic brothel filled with Caligulan scenes of sexual romp and lust?  And if not, how about "tender moments" of hand holding and "cuddling" … is that going to be allowed in the barracks?  And if such behavior is banned, how long will it be before the ACLU is suing the Army and the federal government on the grounds that the gay community is being singled out and discriminated against for only exercising "natural human behavior" already condoned by both the military and the federal government, when they revoked the DADT policy. 

Then there is the privacy question.  We do not allow men to live with women in the barracks.  Experience has taught us that a separation of the sexes prevents a lot of potential problems, like inter-barracks relationship problems, interpersonal conflicts created by jealousy, breakups, pregnancy (which probably won't be an issue in this case), and other "natural human behavior". 

4063262609?profile=originalThen there is the problem of inappropriate sexual behavior.  We avoid the potential problems which can be created when a few good men have been out partying for a few too many hours coming back to the barracks to join a vulnerable Private Jane Doe in the co-ed showers.  But even the innocent appearance of an obviously amorous male in the co-ed shower area might well be, or at least should be, an affront to the modesty of the female soldiers or now after the repeal of DADT, male soldiers.

How are straight men going to respond when they walk from the shower to their bunk and the scene turns to a "B" flick lewd prison backdrop complete with catcalls and whistles?  How will that affect training, discipline, and self confidence?  Will the barracks become “us” against “them” ... straights against gays? 

Perhaps homosexuals should be separated from the rest of the troops to avoid the possibility of sexual harassment.  But that is akin to asking men and women to bunk together isn't it?  So what does one do with openly gay individuals in the military? 

As stated earlier, the homosexual lifestyle for over 75% of gay men is all about sexual encounters, hundreds of them.  How does that affect hygiene in the military? 

  • Over 70% of all AIDS diagnoses in Canada in adults over the age of 15 up to June 2004 were in homosexual men (13,019 out of 19,238). 60% of all positive HIV tests are found in homosexual men. This contrasts with just over 15% of all positive HIV tests which are due to heterosexual contact. (Public Health Agency of Canada. HIV and AIDS in Canada. November 2004).

  • Dramatic increases in syphilis in many large cities such as Los Angeles, San Francisco, but also in London and Manchester, UK are in the majority observed in homosexual men. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Trends in primary and secondary syphilis and HIV infections in men who have sex with men. MMWR 2004; 53: 575-8. and Nicoll A. Are trends in HIV, gonorrhea, and syphilis worsening in Western Europe? BMJ 2002; 324:1324-7.)

  • According to "Gay author Gabriel Rotello the perspective of many gays that "Gay liberation was founded . . . on a 'sexual brotherhood of promiscuity,' and any abandonment of that promiscuity would amount to a 'communal betrayal of gargantuan proportions.'" This reinforces my point earlier concerning their demand for equal sexual rights and the glut of court cases that would result in any attempt to limit what to them is "Natural Human Behavior."

    4063262640?profile=originalFinally, I know that its passé to remind anyone of moral standards, but morals are no small part of the argument.  What liberals in America have forgotten is that those of us who hold Judeo Christian values are the norm and that dissenting voices, pushing homosexuality, are the contrarians.

 We, as traditional Christian America, have rights too.  The left does not have a right to inflict their religion of liberal one world humanistic theology on us. Their religion is humanism and their theology, which sees intellect as Divine Spark, is anathema to millions of Americans who hold a Judeo Christian understanding of life.  The left tells us that we have no right to force our religion and morality on them, but they have no problem erasing over four centuries of Judeo Christian heritage and morality on this continent and imposing their vulgar religion of humanistic licentiousness on us.

Every belief system is religious by its very nature.  It determines both the course and correction of a society.   History is replete with nations which have traded Christianity for the humanistic religion of the left and history is replete with the stories of failure, collapse and finally the replacement of freedom with the despotism of Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler.

4063262566?profile=originalSo what will it be America the religion of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank, who has really gotten behind the repeal of DADT, or the religion of our Creator who saw our forefathers through the impossible victory over the invincible British Empire?  Was their confidence in themselves or their military prowess?  Hardly!  Their faith was this:  “With a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence." 

Nor did our founders believe that humanism could lead a nation.  "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."  John Adams          

Will the law of the Creator, whose Triune God-head our fathers celebrated in the creation of a tripartite government, be our guide or will we desert that safe harbor for the humanistic worship of intellect and power preached Marx, Lenin, and the American Left? 

Unfortunately, what most Americans don't realize is that the religion of George Soros and his ilk, and their minions like Barrack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid, is the religion of power.  Their goal is not to raise up America to a new enlightenment.  Their agenda is to collapse America and level the playing field with the rest of the world. They believe that our power and influence is what stands in the way of their NWO.  Their constant piling on of debt to the nation isn't about doing good for the poor, it is about caving in the economy causing panic and confusion, from which only they will be able to lead us to safety.  The goal is always destruction that they might rebuild the world in their image of what it should be and under their wise leadership. 

Finally, if they are to be successful in their quest to build this New World Order, the strategy has to include the control of every aspects of society.  Among these are the economy, the media, education, government, the courts, and the military.  One of the remaining two obstacles is the media the other is control of the military. 

General degradation of the military can be accomplished through the appointment of socialist generals by a lackey of the NWO, which Mr. Obama (despite the constitutional restriction under Article 1 Section 8 which reserves to the states the appointment of general officers) has already done.  The other is to generally degrade the capability of the military.  That, my friends, is the real purpose of the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell.  This move alone will do more to disrupt the military than any other single move that could have been made. 

4063262579?profile=originalSure, we have fought endless wars to tax our military, extended them beyond human endurance, and created impossible rules of engagement for them to follow. But, our soldiers are the best in the world.  And despite these brutish tactics they have stood tall and exceeded even these draconian demands placed upon them.  They are nothing short of heroic.  But injecting the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell into the military is akin to inserting a computer virus into a hard drive.  It begins chipping away at programs and the registry and then begins causing such chaos as to make the device unusable.  For the military, that virus is Don't Ask Don't Tell.   Through disease, social disruption, breakdown of military order, legal chaos, and the destruction of morale, this may well do what no Fabian bureaucrat or no army in the world can do ... beat the American military.

So, now that our weak kneed politicians have gotten all mushy and politically correct on the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, think about the ramifications and the unintended consequences (or perhaps more properly, intended consequences) of what we are doing and the potentially catastrophic cause and effect this repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell will have on the defenses of America. 

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  • I can see that there has been a lot of attention paid to the issues of illegal immigration and DADT.  It has traditionally been the correct observation that people defend issues based on their personal beliefs, desires and motives...for example, illegals will defend illegals, muslims will defend muslims and gays will defend gays....We can all pretend to play court the defense attorney and make a case based on all the what if's, the defense of speculation and circumstantial evidence.  In reality, the real defense attorneys are getting paid a hefty little salary for making these arguments.  If they were receiving no monetary compensation for the defense of an idividual that they themselves know for a fact is guilty of the charges, they would follow their genuine beliefs and throw their defendants to the wolves.  With all this being said....Pick and choose what you decide to defend and use great discretion in how you defend it.  I am a U.S. Patriot, when I defend an issue, there is absolutely no second guessing as to what and why I am deffending it... Illegals defend illegals, muslims defend muslims and gays defend gays....

  • Phil, Phil,Phil.....My old friend Phil....  Yes they have been there....they will always be there....But now they have been empowered, and in doing so, chipping away at the authority that has traditionally governed the everyday order of business within the military.  Dr. Baker is, as usual, 100% correct in his statements, simply because his views are based to solid evidence and practical foresight.

  • Phil:

    You have dodged the issue and obviously you cannot or will not attempt to comprehend the point I am making.  Every law system is religious by its very nature.  Progressives are attempting, and quite successfully by your post, to convince us that Christians are trying to inflict their religion on the nation.  Meanwhile they are inflicting their anti-Christian religion on the nation.  Every law system is religious It will be there religion or the religion of our founders which gave us birth and life until this day.  But obviously, you have chosen to accept the progressive line that their anti-Christian religion is better than our country's historic Christian religion. We'll see how that works out.

  • Dr. Baker, once again you have given another prime example as to why you and I are friends.  Very well stated.  Remember, we still need to talk...




    Phil, with all due respect that is the problem.  Politicians are all trying to make political progress.  If you still believe that the problem in the country is a political problem then our real problem will go unnoticed and we will eventually die of the infection of progressive poisoning.  Our political difficulties are only a symptom of the problem not the problem.  Homosexuals in the military is not the problem it is an outgrow of the real problem - progressive ideology which seeks to destroy the military capability of the United States.  Look at this list of problems and tell me how to combat all of them.  These are just in the lame duck session. 


    • S510 - giving away food sovereignty,
    • DREAM act,
    • Don't Ask Don't Tell,
    • START treaty,
    • Death Tax, Income Tax Rates,
    • No Budget,
    • 2000 page $1.1 Trillion spending bill,
    • $200 billion tucked in the tax cut extension,
    • Continuing Resolution to fund the government,
    • Additional Funding For Obama Care,
    • Cap and Trade,
    • Additional 13 months of unemployment,
    • ·         Extend the Alternative Minimum Tax,


    The strategy here is simple overwhelm us with so much stuff that we cannot fight it all.  The nation didn't even react to S.510 which would have given power over our food supply to Homeland Security, the EPA and the UN.  The problem Phil is not political it is spiritual.  We have forgotten first principles.  For a century we have elected to office vulgar progressives who hate America precisely because she is a Christian nation with Christian principles.  Our founders understood that eternal law was the bedrock on which our nation had to be built.  Does anyone honestly believe that this collection of goofballs and jackals with the likes of Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Or Harry Reid could in any way compare with the likes of Adams John or Sam, Washington, Jefferson, Madison,  Franklyn, Boudinot, Hancock, Patrick Henry, John Jay, Jedidiah Morse, Joseph Story, or any of the founders.  What did they know that we have forgotten?  That a nation without God is a nation adrift.  Where did the courage to break with England come from.  they had the courage to make their stand because they honestly believed " We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."  Further, "And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence."  They understood that liberty is a God given right not a grant of government.  That their endowment of freedom was granted by God and that governments are formed among men for one purpose and one purpose alone to protect those rights.  And if they are to be protected they must be anchored in eternal law.  Even in the mid 1800's we still understood.


    U.S. Congress, 1854

    The great, vital, and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and the divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. – House of Representatives


    Congress, U. S. House Judiciary Committee, 1854

    Had the people, during the Revolution, a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle... In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity...

    That was the religion of the Founders of the republic and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.


    I could give you ten times many quotes as I did our friend Roman but it would serve no further purpose.  Either you accept the history of our country or you don't.  There is no half truth.  If you mix a little untruth with a whole lot of truth it still a complete lie because it leads to the wrong outcome.  It takes but a little poison in the meal to kill the whole body.  Well every bit of this DADT is poison.  Unfortunately, the buffoons we have elevated to the United States Senate are either too stupid to be there or they are just progressives hiding under the cover of Republicans without whom this bill could not have passed.  Just a little poison "Don't Ask Don't Tell".  Just a little more poison "$56 billion dollar 13 month unemployment extension".  Just a little more poison and we find the nation economically moribund and sliding toward grave consequences.  There are about $5 trillion dollars in municipal bonds that are coming due in the next 12 months and many cities and counties cannot pay them.  What are we going to do?  Five trillion dollars of bad debt in the U.S. bond market will make the housing crisis look insignificant.  Municipal bonds are used by banks, pension funds, retirement accounts, and 401K as portfolio stabilization.  What happens when they are no good and banks begin to default because their bond portfolios are no good.  Four states New York, New Jersey, Illinois and California represent $3 trillion of budget deficit.  California alone is proposing a budget that will leave them $28 billion short this year.


    Does anyone honestly think there is a political solution to all of this?  Are progressives just going to give up and go home?  Of course not.  George Soros and his band of merry traitors are about to collapse the largest economy the world has ever know.  Of course they will have sold the dollar short and made another few hundred billion in some other currency.  Phil I think economic system is going to reset.  It is going to cave in.  When it does we will either be there with a solution or we will be steamrolled.  If it is politics as usual they will steamroll us.  If we do not return to our first principles I fear that all will be lost.  So these moral issues make all the difference in the world.  It is difficult to depend on the protection of Divine Providence when we have just stuck a finger in His eye.  Further, all actions have consequences.  Some are intended some unintended.  This DADT alone could serve to dramatically undermine the ability of America's military.  If our military is in disarray and chaos who will fight for us.  If you are looking to take America down that's a good start.


    In conclusion, our founding fathers rightly believed that righteousness exalts a nation an sin will destroy a nation.  Isn't it ironic in a once Christian nation, a student can announce at a commencement that they worship the earth, or that they believe in Gaya, or that they are homosexual but they cannot invoke the name of the child who laid in the manger some 2000 years ago, who changed the world so dramatically, that even our entire calendar is based upon his birth.  In this once Christian nation we now have winter holiday instead of Christmas.  We can look at issue after issue and it all boils down to one thing.  Either we are a Christian nation and our law system is anchored in the bedrock of Biblical Law or we are a nation adrift with laws that change at the whim of every empty headed arrogant lout that we send to govern.  Unfortunately for about a century we have chosen the latter.  How do we like the outcome?






  • Mr. DiJoseph,


    This is certainly not the most pressing issue of our nation.  And, as I stated to Dr. Baker, I am sure I would be more apt to agree with the economic stances of this site's members.  As you stated, that is where the real pressing issues lie.


    Very Respectfully,

    Roman Clark



  • Phil, you and I are friends....and it is now the time that I must ask you...which branch of the military did you serve in????  I just gotta know...Anyway...we already have gays in the military, always have and always will...BUT, this is not about gays in the military...This is about gay rights and the military.  OH yes and one more thing...Please tell me what your job was when you were in.... Anyway...Like I said it's not about gays in the military...for over 200 years there have been gays in the military, and I am sure that without question they have served well...the difference is now that they are going to be catered to and new rules to play by...questions and lawsuits are on the horizon, there will be physical conflicts...there will be added horse shit from one end of the spectrum to the other.  It is nothing but another back door tool to disrupt the unit cohesion and weaken an otherwise strong military.  Like I said before, it's not about gays in the military...It's about their rights to blatantly display and practice in their homosexual lifestyle that is the argument.  Yes that is going to cause major problems.


    However, they ensured the seperation [SIC] of Church and State in the Bill of Rights, and rightly so.  Roman that statement is hopeless naive and just plain ignorant.   I have already proven to you that was not the intent of the founders.  You simply refuse to accept the truth so there is no sense in debating you.  you own the lie and love it.  But this exchange is not about you.  You seem to be hopelessly lost in the gay talking points, however, you did give me the ability to  shoot down all of the specious arguments used in the gay talking point memo passed out by their side.  And yes you have the right to decent from my opinion - but when your opinion begins to affect our ability to defend this nation, I have to see you personally as a threat to over two centuries of freedom.  You say that your logic does not align with mine.  The problem is Roman you are not using logic; Yours is an emotional knee-jerk liberal reaction exhibiting the typical gay "poor pitiful me" talking points while telling the country "Be Damned" I want my way.  Well Roman sin has consequences and one of the consequences is that sin makes you stupid.  The more sin the more stupid.  Seems to me that we have piled up a mountain of stupid in this country.   Politicians for years have not thumbed their nose at God and can't figure out why our economy isn't blessed.  In the 1st amendment you cited you forgot the last half of that opening phrase.  That passage says " or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."  You and your friends can now site the gay mantra in the military but our children can't say a prayer in schools.  You can tie up tens of thousands of man hours to figure out how to keep homosexuals comfortable in the barracks but a general can't pray in open formation for the safety of troops without facing discipline. 


    Students can stand up at commencement and tell us about the tenants of Druidism in spouting the global warming line which has been shown to be a hoax inasmuch as we have been cooling for the last 15 years, but are forbidden from having a prayer for their fellow students as they enter adulthood.  So you tell me Roman whose rights have been infringed upon.  Jefferson held a church service every Sunday in the capital building for the entire duration of his presidency. Now Christian school kids are forced off the grounds because they are too near the capital.  You and your liberal friends have the right to condemn Christianity as bigoted hate mongers yet you and your ilk have prevented me from praying for the sick or frightened children in a special needs school.  Well roman as I said sin makes you stupid and America is "eat up" with stupid.  So Roman please take a minute and write this down in your diary personally.  Remember it was on this day that you were warned that a nation can only contain so much unrighteousness.  Each nation has a cup of wrath in heaven and when it is full it can contain no more and begins to spill down on that nation.  We were given a warning at 911.  But folks like you ... you demand your right to proudly declare that homosexuality is an individual right and that means much more than the collective good of your fellow countrymen.  But you go on and spout your rights and someday should you still be drawing breath when those waves or prophecy roll over the arrogance and irreligious shores of America, remember that this crazy guy on a website told you this would happen.  Feel the guilt and pain of remembering that you helped make this happen personally.  You are personally a part of this destruction.  Perhaps then you can personally repent of the arrogance driven demand that you be heard. 


    But all is not lost Roman.  There are millions of us that understand that this is not a political battle it is a spiritual battle.  There is no political action that can undo all that has been done to America.  You and your kind in DC and state capitals are well organized and like a cancer deeply entrenched.  Progressives nationwide demand more and more booty for "down trodden" Americans.  More benefits for the unemployed.  All of this is based on a violation of the 10th commandment which forbids covetousness.  Coveting is when I pass a law that says I can take what is yours and give it to someone else.  But the laws of economics line up with the law of Yahweh.  You can only live on other people's money for so long then it runs out.  See why religion is so important - probably not. 


    Did you know Roman that technically speaking there was no holocaust in Germany.  Not one Jew was murdered.  They simply passed a law which said it was ok to kill Jews.  So it was all nice and legal.  We can pass laws making any manner of evil legal.  For instance in this nation we have passed laws saying it is ok to kill babies.  Boy have we done that well ... 40 million of them now.  Guess what; 40% of those killed are black children despite the fact that only 13% of the U.S. population is black.  If any other country were doing this we would call it genocide but not here, because we passed a law and that makes it alright.  No holocaust here we made it legal.  By the way there is one sin that Yahweh says he will not forgive a nation - that is the shedding of innocent blood. 


    So while you are demanding the rights of homosexuals to come out of the closet we closeted Christians are also coming out of the closet and going to work to try to save this country and even your liberal butt so you can continue spouting all the self-centered childish nonsense that you are trying to pass off as political discourse.  But in the end - if you are successful you will succeed in killing America and you will be a man without a country and all your good liberal ideologies will have no one left to hear them.  On the other hand if I am successful, America will go through the depression to the 5th power but we will go through.  Make no mistake there is a crash of epic proportion coming.  So Roman I suggest you spend a little time with history, with the cause and effect political movements and unintended consequences, and with the scriptures.  All of these point to the same conclusion.  America is on a collision course with destruction.  I am trying to save us from and also for you.


  • Dr. Baker,


    Again, thank you for your heartfelt reply.  What we suffer here is a fundamental difference of opinion, and one that will not be reconciled over a few blogging sessions.  Were it four or even three years ago, I would likely be the first to commend your defense of traditional Christian values on the federal level.  I have come to believe, however, that it is not the right of the government to persecute an individual for their beliefs, so long as they are not infringing on the rights of others. 


    Splitting hairs will achieve no progress in our differences; who are we to know what society will deem as acceptable in days to come? The fact remains that I believe it is not the government's duty to control or deny that acceptance, and you believe otherwise.


    I hope that you do not underestimate the capabilities of our military leaders; no problem is not solvable, as you have concluded of the housing issue.  We will find a way, and tailor that method until the necessary balance is found, because it is the liberty of a fellow American at stake. The American voters knew who they were voting into office, and continued to elect President Obama despite his stance on DADT.  While he was not my preferred candidate, he was the choice of the American public.  I have no doubt that the Framers were Christian men; personally, that is a point of pride.  However, they ensured the seperation of Church and State in the Bill of Rights, and rightly so.  It is not, and was not, the place of the federal government to insert religion upon constituents.  That is my belief.


    I will end with this; I respect the fact that you are so firm in your set of beliefs, and feel refreshed that you, and many others on this site and sites like it, are coming in droves to make your opinion known. I respect that you take this issue personally.  That is how I believe politics should work.  For this reason, I think the Tea Party Movement is great!  I am sorry that my logic does not align with yours, and that you consider this a lack of education; I was educated at a very conservative institution and my dissent to your position also represents a dissent from the beliefs of my father and my educators. I have not stumbled upon my position by chance, and I have not been force fed a belief.  I do not have to share all of the beliefs of the Tea Party, though I think on many other issues we would agree.  The beauty of Liberty is that it affords us the right to disagree.  Thanks for your very thorough commentary and, however contrary, opinion.  Keep up the fight.


    Very Respectfully,

    Roman Clark

  • Roman - you may have the right to express your sexual preference in the military without consequence but if your lifestyle were heterosexual polygamy would you still feel as free.  There are norms to which each of us must surrender.  If you are color blind you cannot be an airline pilot.  Instruments are color coded, lights at the end of the runway are color coded.  Being an airline pilot is not the right occupation for a colorblind person.  Likewise, if I have an fear of heights my lifestyle choices should not include being a window washer on a sky scraper.  I can't take the job and then say I was discriminated against because they made me wash windows in high places.  That is not discrimination.  You knew the rules going in.

    Further the housing problem is not solvable.  It is not fair to give separate housing to homosexuals where men get to live with their preferred sexual partners.  I still maintain that if they get that I want to live in the women's barracks.  But I can't. Why?  Because I knew the rules when I signed up.  I have to live in the men's barracks.  That is how life is.  There are rules.  To believe that the rules should apply to all but 1% of the population who demand special treatment is behavior that one would expect from a petulant twelve year old not someone to whom I am supposed to trust with the defense of my nation.  If one can't set aside their selfish desire to announce their sexual proclivities, how in the world would I be expected to believe that they are capable of handling the defense of our country. 

    You maintain that the congress, our elected officials just changed the rules.  Remember that this was an act of spite by the Congress.  We just fired bunch of them for this exact philosophy.  They have been terminated by their employers -the American people.  So as a final act of defiance and flipping us off they pass this legislation.  You stated that government was not put into place by our Founders to be merged with any one religious belief or to persecute any one group of people for their beliefs.  You are dead wrong.  I can give you hundreds of quotes to the contrary by U.S. presidents, Congress, Supreme Court Judges and Governors. 


    George Washington: While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.  General Orders of May 2, 1778

    George Washington:  It is an especial manner our duty as a people … to acknowledge our many and great obligations to Almighty God. Thanksgiving Day Proclamation, January 1, 1795   

    George Washington: [T]he foundation of our national policy will be laid in the pure and immutable principles of private morality; ... the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained....  First Inaugural Address, April 30 1789

    John Adams: The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. John Adams’ Letter to Thomas Jefferson - June 28, 18

    John Adams: The Christian religion is, above all the Religions that ever  prevailed or existed in ancient or modern Times, The Religion of Wisdom, Virtue, Equity and Humanity.
    John Adams’ Diary - July 26, 1796

    Having declared Independence, Adams recommended
    July 4th , “…ought to be commemorated ,as the Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of Devotion to God Almighty.” John Adams’ Letter to Abigail - July 3,1796

    [H]e is the best friend to American liberty who is the most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion, and who sets himself with the greatest firmness to bear down profanity and immorality of every kind. Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call him an enemy to his country.
     John Witherspoon, The Works of the Reverend John Witherspoon

     (Philadelphia: William W. Woodward, 1802), Vol. III, p. 42

    Samuel Adams: He also called on the State of Massachusetts to pray that . . .

    The peaceful and glorious reign of our Divine Redeemer may be known and enjoyed throughout the whole family of mankind, we may with one heart and voice humbly implore His gracious and free pardon through Jesus Christ, supplicating His Divine aid . . . Proclamation For Day OF Thanksgiving, October 14, 1795

    [and] above all to cause the religion of Jesus Christ, in its true spirit, to spread far and wide till the whole earth shall be filled with His glory.  With true contrition of heart to confess their sins to God and implore forgiveness through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ our Savior.    Proclamations for a Day of Fasting and Prayer, March 20, 1797


    Elias Boudinot

    President of Congress Signed the Peace Treaty to end the

    American Revolution Framer of the Bill of Rights

    Director of the U.S. Mint

    Let us enter on this Important Business under the idea that we are Christians on whom the Eyes of the World are now turned… let us earnestly call and beseech Him, for Christ’s sake, to preside in our Councills. … we can only depend on the all powerful influence of the Spirit of God, whose divine aid and assistance it becomes us as a Christian People most devoutly to implore.  Therefore I move, that some minister of the Gospel be requested to attend this Congress every morning . . . in order to open the Meeting with Prayer.  First Provincial Congress New Jersey - May 23, 1775

    You have been instructed from your Childhood in the knowledge of your Lost State by Nature – the absolute necessity of a Change of Heart, and an entire renovation of Soul, to the image of Jesus Christ – of salvation, thro’ His meritorious Righteousness only – and the indispensable necessity of personal Holiness without which no man shall see the Lord. [Hebrews 12:14].  Written to his daughter, Susan - October 30, 1782


    U.S. Congress, 1854

    The great, vital, and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and the divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. – House of Representatives

    Congress, U. S. House Judiciary Committee, 1854

    Had the people, during the Revolution, a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle... In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity...

    That was the religion of the Founders of the republic and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.


    Patrick Henry: Righteousness alone can exalt America as a nation. Whoever thou art, remember this; and in thy sphere practice virtue thyself, and encourage it in others. …

    The great pillars of all government and of social life [are] virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone, that renders us invincible. - Patrick Henry: Life, Correspondence, and Speeches, William Wirt Henry (grandson of Patrick Henry), vol. II, p. 520, to Archibald Blair on January 8, 1799.


    Thomas Jefferson:  Thomas Jefferson

    Signer of the Declaration of Independence Diplomat Governor of Virginia Secretary of State

    Third President of the United States

    The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man. Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse - June 26, 1822

    The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He [God] has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses.  Jefferson to James Fishback, September 27, 1809


     Roman, I could go on for countless pages with similar quotes.  But suffice it to say that your education has been lacking.  Our school system has taught us exactly what you stated that " I just recognize that our government was not put into place by our Founders to be merged with any one religious belief or to persecute any one group of people for their beliefs."  That, Roman is simply not true.  Our founders fully intended for this to be a Christian Nation.  They could imagine no other possibility.  The word Religion was understood to mean Christianity.  The warning from our founders was not to make a federal government that was Baptist, or Lutheran, or Catholic.  Rather the fed was supposed to be open to all flavors of Christianity.  It was never to be anti-Christian or irreligious.  That is the lie that has been perpetrated upon the nation ... and very effectively by the progressive left who seek to end America in favor of their New World Order.  Twelve of the thirteen colonies had an official state religion - all Christian just different denominations.

    Finally Roman, I know it is not politically correct to make criticisms personal.  But it is personal.  You personally hold a belief system that is destructive of everything I have worked my entire life to restore ... America.  I have felt the persecution of this government for my Christian beliefs.   The progressives and enemies of this country have attacked me nonstop for more than three decades.  I have not been a part of the armed forces of this country but my wife and I have faced violence against us personally, death threats against us personally,  there have been too many attempts on our lives personally to count.  So we too have faced the heat of battle.  We have had ample opportunity to turn tail and run. But we are still here, still battling for the country we love;  Still fighting the battle of ideas without ever once seeking revenge on those who sought to do us harm. 

    I can say with absolute assurance with our founding fathers:  "And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence ..."  Divine Providence.  If they were not sold out to an unshakable reliance upon God would they have said those words, taken on England the mightiest empire on earth?  I do respect the fact that you are reading the blogs.  But are you really reading.  Are you trying to follow the logic.  Are you learning the history of what America really was?  What our fathers gave us?  Don't take my word for it.  Read for yourself.  But don't blindly accept the philosophy you now hold.  Study the history.  Read the actual words of the founders.  I have shared a few above.  But don't take my word for it.  Do the homework, read the history, study the changes and when they came about in this country.  See for yourself how we have changed. 

    The destruction of this nation is eminent.  How can we expect or have "reliance on the protection of Divine Providence" while at the same time we are spitting in His face.  But this foolish repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell is not the problem it is just a symptom of the problem.  The problem is we have adopted a new religion in America.  All ideas and moral codes are religious by their very nature.  Our new religion is anarchistic humanism.  But all of this is just the beginning Roman.  Soon we will see the bond markets crumbling under the weight of $5 trillion dollars of municipal bonds that are no good.  The debt of four states alone New York, New Jersey, Illinois, and California is enough to cave in the U.S. economy.   Our problems are beyond solving with political solutions.  It is too late for that.  Now we must have a spiritual movement that results in political action.  Anything less will fail.  So it is very personal to me Roman.  And you my friend are a part of the problem.  You have blindly accepted someone's version of history without laboring to find the truth.  If we are to be restored, it must because we all personally take responsibility for the knowledge it will take to lead us back from the precipice of ruin.  So if  I sound alarmed in my responses to you it is because I am alarmed.   But there is yet hope for you because you have taken the time to respond.  Now take time to learn.  You may not like the truth you discover, but at least you will know it.  What you choose to do with it is a decision you must make ... personally.



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