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For the Just and the Unjust

For the Just and the Unjust


Of the Advantages and Disadvantages Which Often Indiscriminately Accrue to

 Good and Wicked Men. (From The City of God by Augustine)



Will some one say, Why, then, was this divine compassion extended even to the ungodly and ungrateful?  Why, but because it was the mercy of Him who daily “maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.”  For though some of these men, taking thought of this, repent of their wickedness and reform, some, as the apostle says, “despising the riches of His goodness and long-suffering, after their hardness and impenitent heart, treasure up unto themselves wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to every man according to his deeds:”nevertheless does the patience of God still invite the wicked to repentance, even as the scourge of God educates the good to patience.  And so, too, does the mercy of God embrace the good that it may cherish them, as the severity of God arrests the wicked to punish them.  To the divine providence it has seemed good to prepare in the world to come for the righteous good things, which the unrighteous shall not enjoy; and for the wicked evil things, by which the good shall not be tormented.  But as for the good things of this life, and its ills, God has willed that these should be common to both; that we might not too eagerly covet the things which wicked men are seen equally to enjoy, nor shrink with an unseemly fear from the ills which even good men often suffer.

There is, too, a very great difference in the purpose served both by those events which we call adverse and those called prosperous.  For the good man is neither uplifted with the good things of time, nor broken by its ills; but the wicked man, because he is corrupted by this world’s happiness, feels himself punished by its unhappiness.  Yet often, even in the present distribution of temporal things, does God plainly evince His own interference.  For if every sin were now visited with manifest punishment, nothing would seem to be reserved for the final judgment; on the other hand, if no sin received now a plainly divine punishment, it would be concluded that there is no divine providence at all.  And so of the good things of this life:  if God did not by a very visible liberality confer these on some of those persons who ask for them, we should say that these good things were not at His disposal; and if He gave them to all who sought them, we should suppose that such were the only rewards of His service; and such a service would make us not godly, but greedy rather, and covetous.  Wherefore, though good and bad men suffer alike, we must not suppose that there is no difference between the men themselves, because there is no difference in what they both suffer.  For even in the likeness of the sufferings, there remains an unlikeness in the sufferers; and though exposed to the same anguish, virtue and vice are not the same thing.  For as the same fire causes gold to glow brightly, and chaff to smoke; and under the same flail the straw is beaten small, while the grain is cleansed; and as the lees are not mixed with the oil, though squeezed out of the vat by the same pressure, so the same violence of affliction proves, purges, clarifies the good, but damns, ruins, exterminates the wicked.  And thus it is that in the same affliction the wicked detest God and blaspheme, while the good pray and praise.  So material a difference does it make, not what ills are suffered, but what kind of man suffers them.  For, stirred up with the same movement, mud exhales a horrible stench, and ointment emits a fragrant odor. 

[*** Embolden words by me and not by the author.]


In our endeavors to support that which is right, that which we have longer for, and that which we believe is to be regained, let us not cross the line and become as mud. We must, even in our most spirited work toward a goal, remember that all power and every principality, is there because God has allowed it.  All power and authority is from God, and both good and wicked share in that power. Let us therefore work the good work and strive together lifting things up to God that His will be done and trust that it is and will be. For we profess “In God We Trust”, let it be so in the final tally.

- Dr Ley

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The Cretans and the Early Church

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                           The Cretans and the Early Church                                                    By                                                 Dr Ley In the Hellenistic era Crete…Continue

Early Translation of the Pentateuch

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Early Translation of the PentateuchByDr Ley  The sages tell us Moses did not only speak to Israelites in Hebrew; he also translated the scriptures (Pentateuch: the first five books of the Old…Continue

Do we know what time it is?

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Do we know what time it is? Prophets knew… Several things made the prophets unique. The first was his or her sense of history. The prophets were the first people to see G‑d in history. We tend to…Continue

Concepts and Arguments for the Soul: Teachings of Transmigration

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Comment by Dr Wesley B Rose "Dr Ley" on August 16, 2012 at 11:31pm

The Mansion Across the Street : a review

By Dr Ley


I have had the opportunity to read quite a few books over the years, many written for inspiration, for edification, and for personal growth. They varied across a spectrum from the great to the painfully mundane. Occasionally there is the one that is not just good, but memorable. The Mansion Across the Street by Rose Anne Daniels is a compendium of Biblical understanding and Christian wisdom gained through the school-of-hard-knocks. The rich and powerful insights were deeply reinforced by uncanny scripture reflection and purity of heart - – faith seldom so refined (as in a furnace) or realized by many Christians. There was scarcely a portion of this path to discovery that cannot be used as a template for so many who wander the emptiness of despair. One cannot help but permit the story to enter the heart, supercharge the emotions, and set in motion a life experience that will change the path for many and the footing for a Christian walk.  Read it…….. talk about it.. Experience It!

Comment by Dr Wesley B Rose "Dr Ley" on August 3, 2012 at 5:50pm

I just finished reading "I Stand Alone by Kathryn M. Holmes" for the sixth time.  It is truly one of the very best Christian testimonials i have ever read.  It was particularly hard hitting for me.  I am a wheelchair user and have had to deal with the same stresses and circumstances as the author.  Unfortunately I failed the test in many respects  for several years.  

For a long time I rejected the idea of acceptance. Not only that, I spent long months in a depression and self-pity state that was most trying for my family.  I stead of looking for answers and having the intestinal fortitude to fight, I simply surrendered without a fight.

It is too bad that this book was not availed to me those years ago when it could have done so much good.  I have somewhat adopted this book as a manual for change that i now recommend to other disabled veterans as well as others who are disabled.  

The best thing about the book, to me, is the down to earth, no no-sense look at disability and the encroachment of the heart and mind it brings to light.  It does not sugar coat the difficulties nor takes the easy way out of the world changing circumstance.  It is so refreshing to read of the issues and the real work of a person from the inside.  

I would think that all Christians, as well as others, could richly benefit from this witnessA of strength and personal walk with God.  Read it one, twice, three times... or as many as you desire, but read it and recommend it to others!

Comment by Dr Wesley B Rose "Dr Ley" on August 1, 2012 at 9:02pm

Between the World and Eternity




Dr Ley



The plight of the Israelites during and after King Solomon is one parabolic styled discussion that finds many seats at the table of today.  It is not enough to know and expose idolatry, much more needs to be accomplished. From this brief narrative we learned that even great kingdoms topple ad great kings made ineffective by pagan living and or turning from God to any substitute.  The idols are the visual manifestation of something deeper and more tragic.  The tendencies of mankind to turn away from God and decide for themselves what is right (or wrong) hid in the hearts of humanity since the very beginning. The experience of the Israelites, in numerous circumstances, become the schoolmaster for us to truly understand how weak man is and how easily old habits can be reborn. This message is emphatic in statement about the moral character of the different kings, especially after the division of the kingdom. This was a problem in the early church and persists today.  Unfortunately acceptance of man's standards is (and always was) in vogue and God is being nudged out continually.  This pagan lifestyle is much like high blood pressure, the well known "silent killer" that claims many lives each year. When morality becomes subject to the whims of man, the accompanying corruption of the soul is deceptive and sulks behind cliché’s, slinks within man-made laws, and only appears as a shadow of society - yet comfortable and familiar. It is therefore the deep influence that divides families, cultures, and nations; a substitute truth for the substitute gods man makes so right and wrong can be adjusted perpetually as needed. Compromise and adaptation to secular standards is the mold from which innumerable idols are made; the abiding presence of falsehood disguised as a secular mindset and lifestyle. It is the substantial substitution of the truth for false beliefs and temporal vision - sacrificing eternity with God for a stack of mammon bread.

Comment by Kenneth Leon Martin on July 23, 2012 at 5:49am

Brother Ley,

I love the things you have written here, but I want to address an issue that truly worries me, American complacency. I have, through social media and in person, been trying to reach people for a couple of years now. Most shake their heads, admit I am right, and go on about their business. It is like someone has stolen their passion.

I don't understand this, how can you lose everything that made this country great, and calmly wave goodbye as if it doesn't affect you? (Not you personally, I was being rhetorical). I am passionate about everything I believe in, but I seem unable to ignite that passion in others, except for a small percentage. 

It reminds me of the old story of Nero fiddling as Rome burned to the ground. Are they mesmerized by the Anti-Christ in the White House? Do they really think they will escape the persecutions to come? That they are somehow exempted from sufferings?

The pre-trib rapture is a myth. It is what we wanted to hear, so it was preached. We are living in the time written of in prophesy. It is beginning, and, just as the bible says, they will not repent and return to God. Heaven help us!


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Hillary Clinton Was Not Formally Under
FBI Investigation At Any Time In 2015-2016

On Tuesday, Inspector General Michael Horowitz testified in a joint Congressional hearing to the House Oversight and House Judiciary panels about his review of the FBI’s (mis)handling of the Clinton email investigation.

House Oversight Chairman Trey Gowdy (R-SC) came out swinging Tuesday in a a joint hearing held by the House Oversight and House Judiciary Committees.

Gowdy ripped into Comey in his opening statement, stating, “we can’t survive with a justice system we don’t trust.”

Investigative journalist Paul Sperry reported Horowitz dropped a bombshell in his testimony.

Horowitz revealed the FBI never named a target or even a subject in the Clinton email probe!

Sperry tweeted: BREAKING: IG Horowitz revealed in Senate testimony FBI never named a target or even subject in Clinton probe. Not Mills, Abedin, Combetta or Clinton herself. “Nobody was listed as a subject of this investigation at any point in time,” adding this was “surprising” for a crim probe

Paul Sperry@paulsperry_

BREAKING: IG Horowitz revealed in Senate testimony FBI never named a target or even subject in Clinton probe. Not Mills, Abedin, Combetta or Clinton herself. "Nobody was listed as a subject of this investigation at any point in time," adding this was "surprising" for a crim probe

So neither Hillary nor her top aides were formally under investigation by the FBI at any time in 2015-2016, tweeted Sperry.


“Nobody was listed as a subject of this [Clinton email] investigation at any point in time,” adding this was “surprising”

So neither Hillary nor her top aides were formally under investigation by FBI at any time in 2015-2016!

Paul Sperry@paulsperry_


"Nobody was listed as a subject of this [Clinton email] investigation at any point in time," adding this was "surprising"

So neither Hillary nor her top aides were formally under investigation by FBI at any time in 2015-2016!

Paul Sperry@paulsperry_

BREAKING: Horowitz revealed that Hillary was never really under formal investigation, never listed by FBI as a "subject" of investigation.

President of Judicial Watch Tom Fitton reacted to this bombshell bias from the FBI.

Tom Fitton  @TomFitton

.@RealDonaldTrump is a subject, but Hillary Clinton was never a "subject." Outrageous. Shut the Strzok-Page-Comey-McCabe-Lynch-Yates-Glenn Simpson-Steele-Brennan-Fusion GPS-Muller special counsel "stop @realDonaldTrump" investigation down.

Paul Sperry@paulsperry_

BREAKING: IG Horowitz revealed in Senate testimony FBI never named a target or even subject in Clinton probe. Not Mills, Abedin, Combetta or Clinton herself. "Nobody was listed as a subject of this investigation at any point in time," adding this was "surprising" for a crim probe

tigation’ into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private server was a complete sham.

No subjects were named, immunity was handed out like candy and Hillary was exonerated before witnesses were interviewed, including Hillary Clinton herself.

Hillary Clinton’s ‘interview’ with the FBI wasn’t even under oath.

Even more egregious, Hillary discussed pregnancy and babies during the majority of the 2.5 hour FBI interview because one of her lawyers was pregnant at the time.

Inspector General Horowitz also testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee Monday.


Targeting Of Tea Party Groups
John McCain’s Staff Director Urged Lois Lerner
And IRS To Engage In “Financially Ruinous”

Conservative watchdog group, Judicial Watch obtained IRS documents Thursday revealing backstabber Senator John McCain’s former staff director urged the IRS, including the corrupt Lois Lerner to engage in “financially ruinous” targeting of conservative Tea Party groups.

And they did.

The IRS Conservative Targeting Scandal involved:

  • Hundreds of conservative groups were targeted
  • At least 5 pro-Israel groups
  • Constitutional groups
  • Groups that criticized Obama administration
  • At least two pro-life groups
  • An 83 year-old Nazi concentration camp survivor
  • A 180 year-old Baptist paper
  • A Texas voting-rights group
  • A Hollywood conservative group was targeted and harassed
  • Conservative activists and businesses
  • At least one conservative Hispanic group
  • IRS continued to target groups even after the scandal was exposed
  • And… 100% of the 501(c)(4) Groups Audited by IRS Were
  • Conservative

Now this…

Via Judicial Watch:

Judicial Watch today released newly obtained internal IRS documents, including material revealing that Sen. John McCain’s former staff director and chief counsel on the Senate Homeland Security Permanent Subcommittee, Henry Kerner, urged top IRS officials, including then-director of exempt organizations Lois Lerner, to “audit so many that it becomes financially ruinous.” Kerner was appointed by President Trump as Special Counsel for the United States Office of Special Counsel.

The explosive exchange was contained in notes taken by IRS employees at an April 30, 2013, meeting between Kerner, Lerner, and other high-ranking IRS officials. Just ten days following the meeting, former IRS director of exempt organizations Lois Lerner admitted that the IRS had a policy of improperly and deliberately delaying applications for tax-exempt status from conservative non-profit groups.

Lerner and other IRS officials met with select top staffers from the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee in a “marathon” meeting to discuss concerns raised by both Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) that the IRS was not reining in political advocacy groups in response to the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision. Senator McCain had been the chief sponsor of the McCain-Feingold Act and called the Citizens United decision, which overturned portions of the Act, one of the “worst decisions I have ever seen.”

In the full notes of an April 30 meeting, McCain’s high-ranking staffer Kerner recommends harassing non-profit groups until they are unable to continue operating. Kerner tells Lerner, Steve Miller, then chief of staff to IRS commissioner, Nikole Flax, and other IRS officials, “Maybe the solution is to audit so many that it is financially ruinous.” In response, Lerner responded that “it is her job to oversee it all:”

Henry Kerner asked how to get to the abuse of organizations claiming section 501 (c)(4) but designed to be primarily political. Lois Lerner said the system works, but not in real time. Henry Kerner noted that these organizations don’t disclose donors. Lois Lerner said that if they don’t meet the requirements, we can come in and revoke, but it doesn’t happen timely. Nan Marks said if the concern is that organizations engaging in this activity don’t disclose donors, then the system doesn’t work. Henry Kerner said that maybe the solution is to audit so many that it is financially ruinous. Nikole noted that we have budget constraints. Elise Bean suggested using the list of organizations that made independent expenditures. Lois Lerner said that it is her job to oversee it all, not just political campaign activity.

President of Judicial Watch, Tom Fitton had this to say about the newly obtained IRS documents showing more proof the agency was weaponized under Obama:

“The Obama IRS scandal is bipartisan – McCain and Democrats who wanted to regulate political speech lost at the Supreme Court, so they sought to use the IRS to harass innocent Americans. The Obama IRS scandal is not over – as Judicial Watch continues to uncover smoking gun documents that raise questions about how the Obama administration weaponized the IRS, the FEC, FBI, and DOJ to target the First Amendment rights of Americans.”

Tom Fitton  @TomFitton

The Obama IRS scandal is not over – as Judicial Watch continues to uncover smoking gun documents that raise questions about how the Obama administration weaponized the IRS, the FEC, FBI, and DOJ to target the First Amendment rights of Americans.

Judicial Watch Obtains IRS Documents Revealing McCain’s Subcommittee Staff Director Urged IRS to...

McCain minority staff director Henry Kerner to IRS official Lois Lerner and other IRS officials: “the solution is to audit so many that it becomes financially ruinous” (Washington, DC) – Judicial...

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