• I take mlopez lopez's position in this matter: to question everything.  As it has been said: The first casualty of war is Truth.  In searching for answers to what is going on there, I have come across info that supports the idea that these peope in this video are telling the truth.  That the Azov Brigade in particular - part of the 'Nazis' that Putin refers to - is not above both using refugees as human shields, and thus blocking them from escaping (esp. to the East, for the Russian-speaking amongst them), and shelling their own infrastructure and blaming it on the Russians especially for Western propagandic consumption.  (Or present images from previous wars as being from this current conflic, as has also been discoveredt.)  There is even some evidence that Zelensky is supportive of Putin's attempts to take down the Nazi element in his country, with whom he has had clashes in the past, esp. over their attacks on the Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the eastern provinces, and so he is in danger from them.  Just like Trump is in danger from the Deep State/NWO crowd in this country.  The desire for Power Over Others (or POO for short) is a monstrous commodity, that has caused massive mayhem for centuries.  We really need to get beyond the elements of The Play that we are embedded in - for our growth, as the 'spiritual beings having a human experience' that we are,' granted - and get to The Real Thing behind the theatre Stage of Life.  That realm beckons us beyond this consciousness level of our lower natures, to proceed up the spiral stairway to the heavens.  We have work to do - a Grand Work.  Not just to engage in more of the same old, same old.  Been there.  Done that.  It's time for a fundamental Change.  Or as Einstein is supposed to have said: (something like) 'The defiition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.'  Or as some other wise person has said: 'Those who refuse to learn from History are doomed to repeat it.'  Let's learn our lessons from this Close Encunter With a Nuclear Winter.  And move on.  



    • Really, by what criteria, or is it that it just is at odds with your own preformed, and predetermined opinions?

    • By information from people we know who are actually living there. This is Russian propaganda!

    • And you may be right.  It isn't as, if propaganda has never been used before by either of the participants.  I'm not in the business of making Putin into a good guy.

    • It sure does Donna, but there are 5ise her3 at 5his site who actually think putin is the good guy!

  • This is the face of war.  This is the face of the lucky ones.  There are no good guys in war, only bad guys.  The only time good guys are even possible is when one side has clear military superiority.  It's Ukrainian weakness, corruption, stupidity and inepitude which invited Russian military action.  If the Ukrainians had the military advantage, and unquestioned superiority, it would be the Russians using the civilians as shields.

    • This is what propaganda looks like, this is fake!

    • Exactly how would you know all that?  The only other voice that speaks continually with such certainity is Marlene.  And just so you don't make a complete fool of yourself, you ought to be advised, all coverage of a war zone is always propaganda.  The very fact that it is being seen means someone (an editor or a public information officer) choose it, or are you accusing the Tea party admin now of propagandizing us? 

  • This situation reminds me of what St. Paul wrote to Timothy regarding the last days...  "2 Timothy 3:13, KJV: But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived." 

    It has become very difficult to discern good from evil... It appears that evil now stands in the hall of the righteous declaring itself to be mankind's benefactor for good.  Truth has become the arbitrary currency of the propagandist and Diogenes is still wandering around the Earth looking for an honest man.

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