The Articles of Confederation did not provide for a fixed method to propose and ratify amendments to the Articles of Confederation... Besides, nothing ... nada ... is guaranteed with a corrupt government. If they can create votes out of thin air they can corrupt just about any process. However, the Constitution requires 2/3rds in convention to submit any Amendment o the State Legislature for ratification by 3/4ths any changes to the constitutional process for submitting Amendments to the State legislatures would require an Amendment to the process and would render any Amendment, not in compliance void... on its face.
If 3/4ths of the States in convention decide to rewrite the Constitution... they could indeed do it, without being in violation of our Constitution... but it is not likely 38 states would suddenly reject our Constitution for another. As it stands the Constitution is being rewritten by the Courts and Administrative State... regulatory authority. Corrupt politicians will simply ignore the Constitution... use EOs and Administrative power (regulations) to go around the Constitution... and the courts will either remain silent or capitulate to the moves.
The corruption in Congress, the Administration, Judiciary, and the SES is so complete that it is difficult for any of them to hold anyone accountable... not without being named as co-defendants in criminal conduct. Our Political parties have become a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE with many of the leadership and active members of a government guilty of criminal acts...
The RICO ACT ... "Passed in 1970, the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) is a federal law designed to combat organized crime in the United States. It allows prosecution and civil penalties for racketeering activity performed as part of an ongoing criminal enterprise."
Both political parties appear to meet the definition of a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE under the statute...
Jim Jordan's comments have been echoed time and time again... empty promises don't make for good government. Jordan appears to be motivated to do something about the crime in government... but it is all APPEARANCE... not one bill or act targeting members of the GOvernment for their crimes has been introduced by Rep. Jordan.
One has to ask.. why? Why haven't there been bills and acts presented to establish the needed government agencies to combat internal crime... a super FBI or other agency that's entire purpose is to keep members of the GOvernment honest and true to their oaths of office. It is time for JORDAN to propose legislation 'TARGETING GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION' and organized criminal acttion while in office.
Failure to engage his office in the legislative process to establish the needed infrastructure and laws to pursue criminal conduct within the government is both telling and an indictment of Jordan's true intent. Structural changes are definitely in order... where is your bill or act Rep. Jordan? This appears to be just more posturing and hot air.. .I am tired of hearing Jordan lambast corruption and then do nothing... NOTHING.
Silence is indicative of those who are unable to respond... often due to their own culpability with criminal conduct... Jordan is a smooth talker but that's about it... no legislation to back up his rhetoric. I like the sound of his rhetoric but have grown tired of his lackluster performance.
Need structural changes... propose a bill to do so... need targeted investigative authority... propose a bill to createe such authority... need dedicated funding to pursue government corruption propose a bill to fund it. So far Jordan has done nothing but talk... I don't know what is worse... knowing to do good and not doing it or ignoring evil... I fear the first is the most decietful.
Jea9 > Ronald A. Nelson COL, USA, RetiredOctober 11, 2022 at 11:16am
I would like to see one law or Amendment that includes 1. An explicit requirement to prove without a shadow of a doubt that the bill falls within Art 1's lawful Jurisdictions. And 2. An explicit documentation of how the bill fulfills the "Necessary and Proper" Constitutional clause, as applied to the Art. 1 Authorization. And 3rd., limits the number of pages of any bill to a reasonable number of pages, of which I might guess, out of not knowing, maybe 200 pages, including both of the above. 4th., All bills would have to be written by elected representatives, not any lobbyist or agency personnel, so drafts would have to be included or other such proof. An amendment has much more weight than a Bill, but opening up an Art V is nothing but foolish and immensely dangerous. I know you do not agree with that statement---but I side with all of Publius Huldah's defenses against it.
I was once firmly against an Article 5 convention... due to the potential for a runaway convention. However, given the serious condition of our Courts and the seeming ease with which the SCOTUS and Congress ignore the simple language of the Constitution I find it more feasable to expect a Convention of states would produce the needed reforms than waiting on Congress or the Courts to do so.
As for a runaway convention... Remember, it takes 2/3rds of the States in Convention to recommend an amendment for ratification by 3/4ths of the State's legislatures. 38 States must ratify any Amendment to the US Constitution. That is a very high bar to meet. A higher bar is the 2/3rds or 67 votes required to send a proposed Amendment to the State legislatures for ratification.
In fact, it may prove very difficult to get the 67 votes to send a proposed amendment to the State Legislatures for ratification. I find the risk of leaving things as they are greater than any potential risk of a runaway convention.
We must come up with major reforms to our government if it is to be saved... We need to pass and ratify a Term Limits and Recall Amendment, a Balanced Budget Amendment, and the repeal of the 17th Amendment regarding the selection of US Senators.... returning their appointment to the several states... not the popular vote.
Jea9 > Ronald A. Nelson COL, USA, RetiredOctober 11, 2022 at 4:02pm
If it is so secure, then why are there other constitutions already written, according to both Publius and JBS. Why is money behind it according to both of the above sources? The 1st convention witnessed the method of ratification being changed during the convention.
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The Articles of Confederation did not provide for a fixed method to propose and ratify amendments to the Articles of Confederation... Besides, nothing ... nada ... is guaranteed with a corrupt government. If they can create votes out of thin air they can corrupt just about any process. However, the Constitution requires 2/3rds in convention to submit any Amendment o the State Legislature for ratification by 3/4ths any changes to the constitutional process for submitting Amendments to the State legislatures would require an Amendment to the process and would render any Amendment, not in compliance void... on its face.
If 3/4ths of the States in convention decide to rewrite the Constitution... they could indeed do it, without being in violation of our Constitution... but it is not likely 38 states would suddenly reject our Constitution for another. As it stands the Constitution is being rewritten by the Courts and Administrative State... regulatory authority. Corrupt politicians will simply ignore the Constitution... use EOs and Administrative power (regulations) to go around the Constitution... and the courts will either remain silent or capitulate to the moves.
Any change I will believe it when I see it
The corruption in Congress, the Administration, Judiciary, and the SES is so complete that it is difficult for any of them to hold anyone accountable... not without being named as co-defendants in criminal conduct. Our Political parties have become a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE with many of the leadership and active members of a government guilty of criminal acts...
The RICO ACT ... "Passed in 1970, the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) is a federal law designed to combat organized crime in the United States. It allows prosecution and civil penalties for racketeering activity performed as part of an ongoing criminal enterprise."
Both political parties appear to meet the definition of a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE under the statute...
See: Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) | Nolo
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Jim Jordan's comments have been echoed time and time again... empty promises don't make for good government. Jordan appears to be motivated to do something about the crime in government... but it is all APPEARANCE... not one bill or act targeting members of the GOvernment for their crimes has been introduced by Rep. Jordan.
One has to ask.. why? Why haven't there been bills and acts presented to establish the needed government agencies to combat internal crime... a super FBI or other agency that's entire purpose is to keep members of the GOvernment honest and true to their oaths of office. It is time for JORDAN to propose legislation 'TARGETING GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION' and organized criminal acttion while in office.
Failure to engage his office in the legislative process to establish the needed infrastructure and laws to pursue criminal conduct within the government is both telling and an indictment of Jordan's true intent. Structural changes are definitely in order... where is your bill or act Rep. Jordan? This appears to be just more posturing and hot air.. .I am tired of hearing Jordan lambast corruption and then do nothing... NOTHING.
Most of Congress is as dirty as the Bidens and nothing will be done unless their is a total uprising
I agree. Silence is complicence. There is always a reason and ignorance is no excuse.
Silence is indicative of those who are unable to respond... often due to their own culpability with criminal conduct... Jordan is a smooth talker but that's about it... no legislation to back up his rhetoric. I like the sound of his rhetoric but have grown tired of his lackluster performance.
Need structural changes... propose a bill to do so... need targeted investigative authority... propose a bill to createe such authority... need dedicated funding to pursue government corruption propose a bill to fund it. So far Jordan has done nothing but talk... I don't know what is worse... knowing to do good and not doing it or ignoring evil... I fear the first is the most decietful.
I would like to see one law or Amendment that includes 1. An explicit requirement to prove without a shadow of a doubt that the bill falls within Art 1's lawful Jurisdictions. And 2. An explicit documentation of how the bill fulfills the "Necessary and Proper" Constitutional clause, as applied to the Art. 1 Authorization. And 3rd., limits the number of pages of any bill to a reasonable number of pages, of which I might guess, out of not knowing, maybe 200 pages, including both of the above. 4th., All bills would have to be written by elected representatives, not any lobbyist or agency personnel, so drafts would have to be included or other such proof. An amendment has much more weight than a Bill, but opening up an Art V is nothing but foolish and immensely dangerous. I know you do not agree with that statement---but I side with all of Publius Huldah's defenses against it.
I was once firmly against an Article 5 convention... due to the potential for a runaway convention. However, given the serious condition of our Courts and the seeming ease with which the SCOTUS and Congress ignore the simple language of the Constitution I find it more feasable to expect a Convention of states would produce the needed reforms than waiting on Congress or the Courts to do so.
As for a runaway convention... Remember, it takes 2/3rds of the States in Convention to recommend an amendment for ratification by 3/4ths of the State's legislatures. 38 States must ratify any Amendment to the US Constitution. That is a very high bar to meet. A higher bar is the 2/3rds or 67 votes required to send a proposed Amendment to the State legislatures for ratification.
In fact, it may prove very difficult to get the 67 votes to send a proposed amendment to the State Legislatures for ratification. I find the risk of leaving things as they are greater than any potential risk of a runaway convention.
We must come up with major reforms to our government if it is to be saved... We need to pass and ratify a Term Limits and Recall Amendment, a Balanced Budget Amendment, and the repeal of the 17th Amendment regarding the selection of US Senators.... returning their appointment to the several states... not the popular vote.
If it is so secure, then why are there other constitutions already written, according to both Publius and JBS. Why is money behind it according to both of the above sources? The 1st convention witnessed the method of ratification being changed during the convention.
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