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  • Everyone has been propagandized by the politicians who would lose their power if the people ever got the gumption to use the tools the Framers and Flounders of the Constitution incorporated for the people themselves to protect their sovereign rights against a overreaching and potentially corrupt government.

    In short the government we now have.

    Article V provides the exact same protections when used by the people through their state Legislatures as when it is used by Congress alone. Exactly the same basic protections. However when the people decide to use it, it becomes a cross section of the people's will instead of the self serving Congressional Country Club vehicle which Congress has used over the centuries to thwart the peoples will and secure the power for themselves.

     

    First off; An Amendment Convention is NOT a Constitutional Convention. PERIOD.

    It does NOT OPEN THE MAIN BODY OF THE CONSTITUTION! It simply codifies how the Articles of the Constitution are interpreted by courts of Law.

    It is the vehicle put into the Constitution which the Articles of the Confederation did not have to modify those articles to address future changes in daily life.

    REMEMBER THIS; Amendments DO NOT permanently change the Main body of the Constitution. Amendments may be repealed by future actions, the 18th was repealed. Amendments only change the way the articles of the Constitution are interpreted by the courts. A prime example is the 14th Amendment and how Courts have abused them at the urging of Congressional Politicians. See; http://www.14thamendment.us/amendment/14th_amendment.html to see what it was originally intended to do by the Senators who sponsored it in their own words, and what Congress pushed the Court to bastardize it into.

    When it was written into the Constitution SENATORS were under the direct control of their respective State Legislators and WERE NOT directly responsible for representing the interests of the public. They were responsible for Equally Representing the Interests of the States. The 17th amendment was originated by Congress and passed, taking away that equal Representation and consolidating the power of Congress and a central government beyond any conceivable idea of the Founders. They also promote what the Founders feared most, a dictatorial central government like the one they just fought off.

    Take a long hard look at the Amendments enacted after the Bill of Rights. See how they subtly take away the power of the People and the States, to consolidate it in the hands of the Central Government? 

    There are other safeguards that have been enacted by many of the States within their own legislation concerning the possibility of an Amendment Proposal Convention un der Article - V. See model Indiana laws; https://www.ncsl.org/documents/summit/summit2013/online-resources/S...

    You can also see the proposed Model "No runaway Article V Conventions act; https://alec.org/model-policy/resolution-for-limitations-on-authori...

    Remember Congress MUST call for an Amendment Convention when 34 State Legislatures petition for it. Congress must open the Convention and step back for the states alone to propose Amendments. You also must remember that ALL proposed Amendments must first have all the wording agreed on by the convention delegates to even be sent to Congress for further action. Once proposed Amendments are sent to Congress, Congress MUST send out those proposals to all 50 States for the Citizens of those States to Ratify or Deny. It takes 38 States to Ratify an amendment. States only get 1 yes or no vote to ratify, or refuse to ratify, a proposed Amendment, and there is a time limit on the Ratification process which will void and cancel any proposal, if it is not ratified within that time frame by the people.

    The question remains; Who do you trust more to represent the 3/4 majority and their wishes for governance? The Self serving Politicians. or the People themselves?

  • The articles of confederation were the guiding laws for the new colonies. When the current constitution was introduced, the people were promised that the articles of confederation would be brought into the new constitution. With all of the promises that those articels would be brought into the new constitution, when the gavle came down, all rules were dropped. The current constitution was what was left. It is a better form of government and gives the power to the people. The bill of rights, the first 10 amendments are the bulwark of the current constitution. You can be assured that there will be infiltrators at a new convention of states. Rememebr this first and foremost, that when the gavel comes down, all of the rules are gone with it. A new constitution will be introduced, the current one will be thrown in the trash heap. We will have no bill of rights, the people wil have no power over the government. And then there is this. If the lawmakers(sic) are not followint the current constitution, then what the hell makes you think that they will follow a new constitution? Who is going to remove the current lawmakers from the capitol? Are you going to do it? The lies and misinformation being bandied about concerning a convention of states is nauseating. We need to enforce our current constitution before we even think about a new one. Can any of you that are promoting this convention explain how we are going to enforce the new one?

    • I agree with you Allen. An Art V is a dangerous weapon in the hands of demonic liars, traitors and globalists panting like rabid lions for such an opportunity to be given them by foolish people willing to compound one ill upon another. 

      Everything sounds good in an Art V COS until we remind ourselves the limitations are already there in black and white in our Constitution.

      Our need is for each safety feature given to us by our framers to be reinstituted. We need the equal and correct number of citizens per Reoresentative to be limited to the (30,000) required by Law. Due to the cost of so many representatives, this would force the little snakes to work mostly at home in little offices with two assistants in their district where their employers (We the People) can get to them and get in their face.

      We need to repeal of the direct election of Senators. We need to repeal the IRS, FED, and fiat money. And so many more.

      We need real money and we need the re-institution of Citizen's Common Law Grand Juries. Those who know the real job of the jury is to try both the law and the facts of the case, and actually get to serve on a jury, have to do so without raising the suspicions of the Judge or Prosecutor lest they be replaced. So they cannot actually inform the rest of the jury, the judge, the prosecutor or defense attorney that they know what the real authority of the jury is. So they have to hide their real reason for their Not Guilty choice of verdict. When enough Juries understand their real authority to refuse to adhere to unlawful laws, that law is essentially nullified through a Not Guilty verdict.

      Nothing can interfere with the decision of the jury, that is why the courts and prosecutors are complicit in criminal actions by offering the accused a lesser plea if they waive their right to a speedy trial by a Jury of their Peers. This corruption of our constitutional protections removes the correction process of Jury Nullification (of unlawful laws). They removed the original meaning of Peers as the Jury of One's Neighbors. Both Prosecutors and Defense attorneys do the opposite. Why?

      Then they trick and lure the poor accused into accepting a lesser but guilty verdict, when, if the law itself was not subordinate to both the Constitution and the premises in the Declaration, or had there been extenuating circumstances pertaining to either the person or the deed, that person would have been found innocent and rightfully so by a Jury of Informed Neighbors.This is fraud and collusion by the courts and attorneys, both prosecuting and defense. 

      We need our militias as well. Where are they?

      Sheriff's Interposition is protection against unconstitutional edicts by both agencies or the feds, We need actionable State Nullification such as is beginning to happen in ND, as they are moving to nullify every fake EO by the criminal imposter idiot pedophile-in-chief.

      In addition, we need a few new laws written and passed. We need to write and pass law that requires each subsequent new proposed law be prefaced with its lawful Jurisdiction and Justification in the Constitution (Necessary and Proper). The correct meanings of both Necessary and Proper need to be understood. The one refers to adhering to constitutional law. The other alludes to morality. Today's definition of Proper is not what our Framers understood it to be. Our founders understood everything political and governmental to contain issues of objective morality. Law is not to be invented or subjective or cultural or rot or idiocy. Never was. What indeed is a woman?

      Where did the word Supreme come from? Right from the Bible. God is our Supreme King, Judge and Law Giver.

      How dare they remove this foundation from us? It is right in front of our faces. That is why the Declaration is so important. It is the foundation of objective morality that underpins the constitutional law. It is a lawful and legal document just as much as the other. However, as the Constitution is specific and limited, the Declaration is broad and deep. 

      Therefore, the Jurisdiction and Justification must PROVE that this new law both stands upon and honors the Declaration of Independence guarantees of our God-given rights and liberties. It needs to prove that no rights or liberties will be limited nor made more difficult, that no liberties will be lessened through administrative process, and that no process of application, permission, penalties or fines, approval or licensure may be attached to any God-given life, health, liberty, safety, property and pursuit of happiness, in any form or application through this proposed new Necessary and Proper Law.

      We need to return to Common Law, not this perversion of law that is layer upon layer of legalese fraud known as Admiralty /Maritime Law. We have an immense amount of pure fraud underpinning way too many industries and agencies in this country, including but not limited to;  the Covid scam, education, mortgages and federal "income" taxes. 

      Here is but one example of fraud upon the American citizen, taken from the IRS Code, verified by Chief Justice William Rendquist.

      IRS

      Title 31 section 321(d)2

      (d)(1)

      The Secretary of the Treasury may accept, hold  administer, and use gifts and bequests of property, both real and personal, for the purpose of aiding or facilitating the work of the Department of the Treasury. Gifts and bequests of money and the proceeds from sales of other property received as gifts or bequests shall be deposited in the Treasury in a separate fund and shall be disbursed on order of the Secretary of the Treasury. Property accepted under this paragraph, and the proceeds thereof, shall be used as nearly as possible in accordance with the terms of the gifts or bequest.  (2). For purposes of the Federal incomeestate, and gift taxes,  property accepted under paragraph (1) shall be considered as a gift or bequest to or for the use of the United States. 

      Chief Justice William Rendquist said, "It does appear that according to the IRS own code, that indeed, taxes are a gift."

      Fraud--Both parties must clearly identify who they are. Both parties must know the terms and agree to the terms. Collusion. What is wrong with this picture? Anyone think an Art V is going to fix this? Or any of these things?

    • I cannot agree with you more.  'You are in OH?  Is your state commited to the COS.  The COS leader should know you and have a copy of your thoughts.  Absolutely!

    • I agree with many of your points... However, some of them will require Constitutional Amendment to become enforceable...

      I would add that if we hold an Article 5 convention to 'propose amendments' to the US Constitution, no current sitting member of the government may participate as a delegate to that convention. The US Constitution currently PROHIBITS anyone from holding more than one office or appointment at a time. Thus, being appointed as a Delegate to sit on a Federal Articles 5 Convention is prohibited. No sitting member of Congress, the Judiciary, or the Administration, may participate as a delegate to the convention. That would be a clear violation of the restriction on holding more than one office or appointment at the same time.

      Like all laws... constitutional or statutory... they are only good if enforced...  If we recall all the elected members of the current Government and elect new ones; then, the current group must leave peacefully or be removed. Federal Law enforcement, the US Military, and if need be the PEOPLE themselves must act to remove them.  In any event, the deposed officials must be removed by lawful process and the escalation of force as necessary. 

      The same process then follows for the enforcement of any other Amendment or statute passed ... enforcement is first by peaceable means and if that fails then by the escalation of force until the law is enforced.  For example, if a balanced budget amendment were passed and the US Treasury refused to follow its mandate; first, by peaceful means, the individuals running the Treasury responsible would be removed from office, by the sitting President. The President would use those peaceful and lawful means available. If they failed then force of arms may be used to remove the offenders... up to and including civil war. All Laws require the use of applied power to function properly. First, by the exercise of peaceful power and when appropriate force of arms. Those charged with enforcement who refuse to act must also be removed by peaceful means or force of arms... on the first offense.  We must not permit mutiny or willful obstruction of our laws.  Officials who do so must be severely and forthrightly dealt with ... on their first offense.

      What misinformation is being bandied around...  please be specific.  There is a great deal of misinformation on both sides of the issue and they need to be cleared up.  Enforcement of the laws is not happening now... what will change if your predilection occurs...  other than more lawlessness.  At least, we will have attempted to remedy the lawlessness using peaceful and constitutional means. Doing the same thing over and over, while failing to achieve the desired results is insane. Doing nothing is even more reckless.  A properly functioning Article V Convention may well produce the seed change necessary to reform our physical and moral problems within the present system of government.  It sure can't make it any worse.

      An Amendment is not a New Constitution... an Article 5 Convention is ONLY AUTHORIZED to PROPOSE AMENDMENTS to the current constitution... They are not Constitutionally authorized to propose a new constitution, nor can they approve one. An Article 5 Convention is not a Constitutional Convention.  It is not authorized to change the underlying fundamentals of government by writting or proposing a new constitution.  An Article 5 convention only PROPOSES Amendments, that must then be ratified by 3/4ths of the State Legislatures to become Constitutional law.  The convention doesn't have the power or authority to pass a new Constitution... even piecemeal.  It will take 3/4ths of the state legislatures to ratify any proposed changes to the Constitution.

      The precepts in the Articles of Confederation were not completely thrown out by the Constitutional Convention... I would add that the several Colonies could have recalled their delegates to the constitutional convention at any time, as did New York and Virginia on several occasions.  An Article 5 Convention once formed is subject to the States Legislatures and their appointed delegates.  State delegates may be recalled at will by the states they represent.  Thus, should a group of delegates go rogue the state legislatures can recall their delegates and effectively withdraw from the convention? If at anytime the number of states attending is insufficient to propose amendments (34 begin present) the convention becomes inoperative.

      There indeed is a lot of misinformation being bandied around... so please inform us.... what misinformation or information pricks your concern?

    • You nisrepresent a constitutional convention. As I stated above, when that gavel comes down, ALL RULES ARE DROPPED!! THat is a fact. The same lies and promises were made when the founders held the first convention. The artcles of confederation were supposed to be brought into the new current constitution. Those were promises made by the attendees/delegates. The same promises are being made concerning the COS. It does not matter that elected congress people cannot sit at the convention as delegates. Their tentacles are many. Corporate CEO's, banksters, you name it. Back in 1996 there was a push for a COS by then governor Levitt of Utah.I had a meeting with then Governor Keating of Oklahoma, he was unaware of the COS and said he would bring it to the house floor. He did, and the motion was quashed. I hope this was enough misinformation for your liking. Oh, by  the way, there is more examples in my first post.

    • Allen...

      An Article 5 Convention is called to CONSIDER AMENDMENTS to the US Constitution... not a new constitution.   An Article 5 Convention doesn't have the Constitutional Authority to rewrite the US Constitution. If it attempted to do so, it would need 3/4ths or 38 State Legislatures to Agree with such a proposal.  An Article 5 Convention may only 'PROPOSE' Amendments to the US Constitution.  The State Legislatures must ratify all proposed amendments, with 3/4ths of the legislatures voting in favor of an amendment, before the proposed amendment becomes law.  That is a very high bar to reach. Getting 3/4ths of the State Legislatures to ratify any amendment is doubtful; let alone, ratify a new constitution.

      In addition, more than the 34 States needed to demand Congress Call an Article 5 Convention have, valid, open, applications with Congress calling for a convention...  The States must now act to get Congress to call the convention or unilaterally act to convene a Convention. Let Congress sue them to stop it.   This single fact openly demonstrates the contempt Congress has for the STATES... and it shows how weak our State governments have become.  Article 5 was to be the ultimate check the several States had to limit a runaway federal government.

    • Hi, Allen!  Are you understandably confusing a Constitutional Convention with a Convention of States?

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    • Correction, sir:  Dems and the RINOs are right where they have always been, supporting whatever is best for the globalists who are busy destroying the American way of life, your standard of living.  True conservatives are not in this group.

    • AMEN!!

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