Democrats are contemplating secession and potential civil war as they game out possible scenarios for a closely contested election, according to a report by Ben Smith in a New York Times column Sunday.
The bulk of Smith’s column is devoted to the question of how the media will handle Election Night coverage, given that the result may not be known for weeks. Vote-by-mail, which many states have only recently adopted — ostensibly, to prevent the spread of coronavirus in polling places — could lead to an uncertain result.
However, buried near the end of Smith’s column is a report that Democrats have participated in a “war game” in which they considered several possible outcomes of the election.
In one scenario, John Podesta — the former chair of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, and a leading figure in party circles — played former Vice President Joe Biden, and refused to concede the election.
The result: the threat of secession by the entire West Coast, followed by the possible intervention of the U.S. armed forces.
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Over 600,000 souls lost. A lot of blood and treasure.
Amen to that! That's pretty much what I just said that was soooo extreme!
No way we should give up any of the United States territory to a bunch of anarchists. That is exactly what they want. I would instead send in the troops and arrest every single one of the socialist anti constitutionalists and put them in prison or to face the firing squad for their acts of treason.
Absolutely. give nothing away of our great America.
We are in agreement!
Now if our top government would get going!
When Trump gets reelected, watch him go!
I hope so. We need to see more justice coming to those who deserve it.
I can't help it. I gotta say it. Why? Because it is true.
First a question. Since the Constitution doesn't specifically mention the 10 Commandments of God is it therefore left up to the states or the people to determine IF they have any bearing at all on Constitutional conduct of the states or the people?
The point is this. Where do the rights of a state or the people stop? If it is a Constitutional right for a state or the people to secede from the Union of the United States of America, which formed it as a single Nation rather than a confederation or a club membership, then if so doesn't it follow that the parts are indeed greater than the whole? That the sum of the parts making up the whole doesn't matter as to the strength of it?
Lincoln maintained that no state had the Constitutional right to secede from the Union. He said, " No government proper ever had, in it's organic law, a provision to terminate itself." Amendment 10 does not grant that provision at all. Our right, our duty, our oath, our National Promise, Our Word, is that we, as American people and our state governments will uphold the Blessings given to us by God, securing them in how we live our lives, and advancing the Liberty (freedoms) that we enjoy , for as long as we live.
For any state to secede from the union, would truly result in the destruction of that state or states that did, and would ultimately destroy both the Nation and the Constitution forming it.
There is no sane argument allowing a state to secede. The only way it could ever be done is that all of the states agreed to it. ALL of them. The contract is perpetual. And every state signed on.
The Constitution doesn't provide directly for secession, albeit the 9th and 10th Amendments clearly leave the powers not granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution to the several States and the People... Hence the power to self-determination and consent to be governed rests not with the union but with the People and their sovereign states.
The Declaration of Independence stipulates the principals upon which our Constitution and nation are governed... Central to those principals is the CONSENT OF THE PEOPLE TO BE GOVERNED as they may deem fit for their purposes and needs. Hence, the principal and right of secession are firmly established in both the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution. A Sovereign State and People are bound only by 'consent' and when constrained beyond their will, they may act to terminate such governments to establish new governments meeting their needs and purposes.
I agree, if a state is to secede it must e by consent of the whole Union... as to the terms of secession. The terms to secede from the Union must settle the common debt and obligations held in Union with all the States. No state should be permitted to abandon the Union without obtaining agreement on the settlement of common obligations such as the National Debt and Treaty obligations, etc.
I've been told that Texas is the only state that has an agreement, or perhaps a treaty, with the federal government that gives it the right to secede. Colonel, do you know anything about this? Since I heard this a few years ago, I have often thought that if this country really started to fall and I pray it won't with God's help, that those of us who wanted to live in a conservative state, may all have to flee to Texas! Well, I have a son in Texas. So you never know, who knows someday we may all be greeting one another face-to-face in Texas. But I hope it never comes to that. I hope that Texas will never have to secede from the union and that other states who may want to be part of it would not be able to. These are all such terrible things to even contemplate. I so desire our country to remain well it has been for a couple of hundred years, United and God-fearing!
No.
Texas declared independence from Mexico in 1836 and spent the next nine years as its own nation. While the young country's leaders first expressed interest in becoming a state in 1836, the Republic of Texas did not join the United States until 1845, when Congress approved the Joint Resolution for Annexing Texas to the United States.
This resolution, which stipulated that Texas could, in the future, choose to divide itself into "New States of convenient size not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas" is often a cause of confusion about the state’s ability to secede. But the language of the resolution is clear: Texas can split itself into five new states. It says nothing of splitting apart from the United States.
In the years after Texas joined the union, tensions over slavery and states’ rights mounted. A state convention in 1861 voted 166 to 8 in favor of secession — a measure that was then ratified by a popular vote, making Texas the seventh state to secede from the Union.
After the Civil War, Texas was readmitted to the Union in 1870.
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