This is not even close to a win... if it is allowed to go forward and prove fraud... SO WHAT... explain how that reverses the inaugeration and Congressional certification of the Electors? It doesn't. This is hardly monumental... or game-changing. Even if it is proven that fraud occurred. The State certified the election and so has Congress. The State's legislature can use this to change the laws for voting and that is about all they can legally do. It will not reverse the election.
Skeptical > Ronald A. Nelson COL, USA, RetiredApril 25, 2021 at 5:42am
"The State's legislature can use this to change the laws for voting and that is about all they can legally do."
That is enough legally. That and the states asserting self-emancipation from an restrictive overbearing federal attitude towards state sovereignty.
The Union and Confederate dead have been long buried. The fears justifying state inhibitions need to be too. The states are no longer 'on parole'. IMHO
So, let's get this right... you think changing the laws will fix the problem... even though they failed to follow the law in the last election. Changing the laws will not stop criminals from rigging the election... Whatever it is your smoking stop.
Skeptical > Ronald A. Nelson COL, USA, RetiredMay 2, 2021 at 2:34pm
Rather than toke the topic further, I would like to offer a brilliant Japanese cinema epic that addresses just this issue, entertainingly.
SEVEN SAMURAI 1954 -AKIRA KUROSAWA directing with TOSHIRO MUFUNE in a stellar everymans role.
Beautiful art, depicting the human condition in motif, within a Japanese setting.
Don > Ronald A. Nelson COL, USA, RetiredApril 24, 2021 at 8:25am
I just watched "absolute interference" on OAN. Which I might add is absolute proof of the extent of fraud in the election and it does appear Trump won in an extreme landslide. Time will tell and it will not be long. One way or another the SWHTF soon.
I 'am surprised that the GOP didn't join them... As far as what will happen when they prove fraud... forget it... Biden and company will not blink they will ignore the fraud claiming that Arizona was not sufficient to overturn the election and the Constitution required all challenges to be made on January 6th... that Congress has certified the election and it is over. Maybe someone can explain what legal action can be taken that will remove Biden if the Arizona audit proves fraud that reversed the outcome? Possibly a Pro Quo Warrento action to challenge the authority of the election? I'd say no... as Congress has spoken... certifying the election... leaving an Amendment process to repeal the Election as the only legal avenue to pursue.
Skeptical > Ronald A. Nelson COL, USA, RetiredMay 2, 2021 at 2:46pm
Well don't wait to paint your house until after an Amendment is proposed and ratified!
(the whole point is creating a condition where urgent need overcomes tremendous difficulty)
But if it happened, would a new avenue to abuse Constitutional outcome be twistable by our Progressive Socialist rabid kin?
Ethics in actions is a wonderful thing, when you can get it, especially from others.
Don > Ronald A. Nelson COL, USA, RetiredApril 24, 2021 at 9:37am
It is certainly true Arizona alone is not enough to reverse the outcome of the election. Neither is a combination of Arizona and Georgia. However, the corruption goes even deeper and may very well entail nearly all of the states even some like Ohio, Trump was declared a winner in.
In any case Mike Lindell is proving there is absolute proof there was extreme fraud in the election of 2020. And not just against Trump!
Anyone who thinks the certification by congress cannot be reversed if it can be proven what was presented to congress for certification was riddled with fraud that was to the extent of reversing the outcome to favor biden is mistaken. Although there is no precedent for any of this that does not mean something this radical, in other words, a government altering crime like this can stand. A crime of this magnitude, if in fact that “is” proven must not stand against this nation. What happened in the 2020 election is nothing less than a coup d’etat. To this point a successful coup d’etat. Everything biden has done to this point seems to be aimed at destroying our Constitutional Representative Republic and free enterprise economic system to give the democrats total and complete power. There is little doubt the reason is to install a socialist communist government. Not unlike what happened in Venezuela.
In the final analysis however if there was no fraud these so called democrats would not be fighting the audit as they are doing in Arizona. If Arizona cannot reverse the outcome why do they fight it? Seems to me if there was nothing to hide there would be no resistance to an audit because both sides would want to know the election was legitimate to return confidence to the voters. The only reason to fight the Audit in Arizona is to keep the fraud from becoming common knowledge and therefore making audits on other states a legitimate endeavor.
It is a give me that election fraud occurred... proving it over and over will only infuriate the general population over and over. Do you actually believe the Democrats will have Biden impeached or ask him to resign; along with, all the others fraudulently elected ' down-ballot? The criminal MARXISTS in the Democrat Party know the elections were fraudulent... they conducted the fraud.
The States AND Congress certified the fraud and installed Biden as President .. the problem is not proving fraud. It is getting the Courts to reverse the CERTIFICATION of the fraud. Proving fraud took place will not reverse the election or remove Biden et al from office. The SCOTUS or a Recall Amendment must be used to remove the fraudulent officeholders.
We need to either pass a Recall Amendment or get a court to order for the removal of all the fraudulently elected officials... We could do that by using a 'Quid Pro Warrento' petition/action. to challenge the authority (the elections) for their occupying their office as fraudulent. That may be the only available LEGAL venue for removing Biden et al from public office.
However, all legal challenges to date... have been denied and we have no reason to believe a new one will work... In fact, we have precedent that has denied all the previous challenges based on fraud. Why? Because our legal system is CORRUPT at its root. America may have crossed the point of no peaceful return to its Constitutional Government.
Skeptical > Ronald A. Nelson COL, USA, RetiredApril 25, 2021 at 3:17pm
Colonel, it is what the People will believe they are justifiably provoked into doing, that is the boon within this fiasco. Not everyone is sure of whats what. Revelation of fraud only strips Biden of any possible effectiveness.
Some institution must rise to the Federal Constitutional usurpation challenge and fill the governance vacuum, or it will be attacked by grass roots directly, which you yourself said is ill-prepared through trusting neglect.
Now it be will be the Soveriegn states by denying support for federal unconstitutionality, pending a federal shakeup. Time does not favor the seditionists. Look at them. Their cause will attrify due to old age mortality. I have said before, many are wearing their toilets wrapped around their waists!
We gotta do something, and control the situation, or the situation will surely control us in the short run. Urgent desperation will offer no help here.
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This is not even close to a win... if it is allowed to go forward and prove fraud... SO WHAT... explain how that reverses the inaugeration and Congressional certification of the Electors? It doesn't. This is hardly monumental... or game-changing. Even if it is proven that fraud occurred. The State certified the election and so has Congress. The State's legislature can use this to change the laws for voting and that is about all they can legally do. It will not reverse the election.
"The State's legislature can use this to change the laws for voting and that is about all they can legally do."
That is enough legally. That and the states asserting self-emancipation from an restrictive overbearing federal attitude towards state sovereignty.
The Union and Confederate dead have been long buried. The fears justifying state inhibitions need to be too. The states are no longer 'on parole'. IMHO
So, let's get this right... you think changing the laws will fix the problem... even though they failed to follow the law in the last election. Changing the laws will not stop criminals from rigging the election... Whatever it is your smoking stop.
Rather than toke the topic further, I would like to offer a brilliant Japanese cinema epic that addresses just this issue, entertainingly.
SEVEN SAMURAI 1954 -AKIRA KUROSAWA directing with TOSHIRO MUFUNE in a stellar everymans role.
Beautiful art, depicting the human condition in motif, within a Japanese setting.
I just watched "absolute interference" on OAN. Which I might add is absolute proof of the extent of fraud in the election and it does appear Trump won in an extreme landslide. Time will tell and it will not be long. One way or another the SWHTF soon.
I 'am surprised that the GOP didn't join them... As far as what will happen when they prove fraud... forget it... Biden and company will not blink they will ignore the fraud claiming that Arizona was not sufficient to overturn the election and the Constitution required all challenges to be made on January 6th... that Congress has certified the election and it is over. Maybe someone can explain what legal action can be taken that will remove Biden if the Arizona audit proves fraud that reversed the outcome? Possibly a Pro Quo Warrento action to challenge the authority of the election? I'd say no... as Congress has spoken... certifying the election... leaving an Amendment process to repeal the Election as the only legal avenue to pursue.
Well don't wait to paint your house until after an Amendment is proposed and ratified!
(the whole point is creating a condition where urgent need overcomes tremendous difficulty)
But if it happened, would a new avenue to abuse Constitutional outcome be twistable by our Progressive Socialist rabid kin?
Ethics in actions is a wonderful thing, when you can get it, especially from others.
It is certainly true Arizona alone is not enough to reverse the outcome of the election. Neither is a combination of Arizona and Georgia. However, the corruption goes even deeper and may very well entail nearly all of the states even some like Ohio, Trump was declared a winner in.
In any case Mike Lindell is proving there is absolute proof there was extreme fraud in the election of 2020. And not just against Trump!
Anyone who thinks the certification by congress cannot be reversed if it can be proven what was presented to congress for certification was riddled with fraud that was to the extent of reversing the outcome to favor biden is mistaken. Although there is no precedent for any of this that does not mean something this radical, in other words, a government altering crime like this can stand. A crime of this magnitude, if in fact that “is” proven must not stand against this nation. What happened in the 2020 election is nothing less than a coup d’etat. To this point a successful coup d’etat. Everything biden has done to this point seems to be aimed at destroying our Constitutional Representative Republic and free enterprise economic system to give the democrats total and complete power. There is little doubt the reason is to install a socialist communist government. Not unlike what happened in Venezuela.
In the final analysis however if there was no fraud these so called democrats would not be fighting the audit as they are doing in Arizona. If Arizona cannot reverse the outcome why do they fight it? Seems to me if there was nothing to hide there would be no resistance to an audit because both sides would want to know the election was legitimate to return confidence to the voters. The only reason to fight the Audit in Arizona is to keep the fraud from becoming common knowledge and therefore making audits on other states a legitimate endeavor.
It is a give me that election fraud occurred... proving it over and over will only infuriate the general population over and over. Do you actually believe the Democrats will have Biden impeached or ask him to resign; along with, all the others fraudulently elected ' down-ballot? The criminal MARXISTS in the Democrat Party know the elections were fraudulent... they conducted the fraud.
The States AND Congress certified the fraud and installed Biden as President .. the problem is not proving fraud. It is getting the Courts to reverse the CERTIFICATION of the fraud. Proving fraud took place will not reverse the election or remove Biden et al from office. The SCOTUS or a Recall Amendment must be used to remove the fraudulent officeholders.
We need to either pass a Recall Amendment or get a court to order for the removal of all the fraudulently elected officials... We could do that by using a 'Quid Pro Warrento' petition/action. to challenge the authority (the elections) for their occupying their office as fraudulent. That may be the only available LEGAL venue for removing Biden et al from public office.
However, all legal challenges to date... have been denied and we have no reason to believe a new one will work... In fact, we have precedent that has denied all the previous challenges based on fraud. Why? Because our legal system is CORRUPT at its root. America may have crossed the point of no peaceful return to its Constitutional Government.
Colonel, it is what the People will believe they are justifiably provoked into doing, that is the boon within this fiasco. Not everyone is sure of whats what. Revelation of fraud only strips Biden of any possible effectiveness.
Some institution must rise to the Federal Constitutional usurpation challenge and fill the governance vacuum, or it will be attacked by grass roots directly, which you yourself said is ill-prepared through trusting neglect.
Now it be will be the Soveriegn states by denying support for federal unconstitutionality, pending a federal shakeup. Time does not favor the seditionists. Look at them. Their cause will attrify due to old age mortality. I have said before, many are wearing their toilets wrapped around their waists!
We gotta do something, and control the situation, or the situation will surely control us in the short run. Urgent desperation will offer no help here.
I implore you, don't come unglued on us now.
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