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For the Just and the Unjust

For the Just and the Unjust


Of the Advantages and Disadvantages Which Often Indiscriminately Accrue to

 Good and Wicked Men. (From The City of God by Augustine)



Will some one say, Why, then, was this divine compassion extended even to the ungodly and ungrateful?  Why, but because it was the mercy of Him who daily “maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.”  For though some of these men, taking thought of this, repent of their wickedness and reform, some, as the apostle says, “despising the riches of His goodness and long-suffering, after their hardness and impenitent heart, treasure up unto themselves wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to every man according to his deeds:”nevertheless does the patience of God still invite the wicked to repentance, even as the scourge of God educates the good to patience.  And so, too, does the mercy of God embrace the good that it may cherish them, as the severity of God arrests the wicked to punish them.  To the divine providence it has seemed good to prepare in the world to come for the righteous good things, which the unrighteous shall not enjoy; and for the wicked evil things, by which the good shall not be tormented.  But as for the good things of this life, and its ills, God has willed that these should be common to both; that we might not too eagerly covet the things which wicked men are seen equally to enjoy, nor shrink with an unseemly fear from the ills which even good men often suffer.

There is, too, a very great difference in the purpose served both by those events which we call adverse and those called prosperous.  For the good man is neither uplifted with the good things of time, nor broken by its ills; but the wicked man, because he is corrupted by this world’s happiness, feels himself punished by its unhappiness.  Yet often, even in the present distribution of temporal things, does God plainly evince His own interference.  For if every sin were now visited with manifest punishment, nothing would seem to be reserved for the final judgment; on the other hand, if no sin received now a plainly divine punishment, it would be concluded that there is no divine providence at all.  And so of the good things of this life:  if God did not by a very visible liberality confer these on some of those persons who ask for them, we should say that these good things were not at His disposal; and if He gave them to all who sought them, we should suppose that such were the only rewards of His service; and such a service would make us not godly, but greedy rather, and covetous.  Wherefore, though good and bad men suffer alike, we must not suppose that there is no difference between the men themselves, because there is no difference in what they both suffer.  For even in the likeness of the sufferings, there remains an unlikeness in the sufferers; and though exposed to the same anguish, virtue and vice are not the same thing.  For as the same fire causes gold to glow brightly, and chaff to smoke; and under the same flail the straw is beaten small, while the grain is cleansed; and as the lees are not mixed with the oil, though squeezed out of the vat by the same pressure, so the same violence of affliction proves, purges, clarifies the good, but damns, ruins, exterminates the wicked.  And thus it is that in the same affliction the wicked detest God and blaspheme, while the good pray and praise.  So material a difference does it make, not what ills are suffered, but what kind of man suffers them.  For, stirred up with the same movement, mud exhales a horrible stench, and ointment emits a fragrant odor. 

[*** Embolden words by me and not by the author.]


In our endeavors to support that which is right, that which we have longer for, and that which we believe is to be regained, let us not cross the line and become as mud. We must, even in our most spirited work toward a goal, remember that all power and every principality, is there because God has allowed it.  All power and authority is from God, and both good and wicked share in that power. Let us therefore work the good work and strive together lifting things up to God that His will be done and trust that it is and will be. For we profess “In God We Trust”, let it be so in the final tally.

- Dr Ley

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                           The Cretans and the Early Church                                                    By                                                 Dr Ley In the Hellenistic era Crete…Continue

Early Translation of the Pentateuch

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Comment by Dr Wesley B Rose "Dr Ley" on August 16, 2012 at 11:31pm

The Mansion Across the Street : a review

By Dr Ley


I have had the opportunity to read quite a few books over the years, many written for inspiration, for edification, and for personal growth. They varied across a spectrum from the great to the painfully mundane. Occasionally there is the one that is not just good, but memorable. The Mansion Across the Street by Rose Anne Daniels is a compendium of Biblical understanding and Christian wisdom gained through the school-of-hard-knocks. The rich and powerful insights were deeply reinforced by uncanny scripture reflection and purity of heart - – faith seldom so refined (as in a furnace) or realized by many Christians. There was scarcely a portion of this path to discovery that cannot be used as a template for so many who wander the emptiness of despair. One cannot help but permit the story to enter the heart, supercharge the emotions, and set in motion a life experience that will change the path for many and the footing for a Christian walk.  Read it…….. talk about it.. Experience It!

Comment by Dr Wesley B Rose "Dr Ley" on August 3, 2012 at 5:50pm

I just finished reading "I Stand Alone by Kathryn M. Holmes" for the sixth time.  It is truly one of the very best Christian testimonials i have ever read.  It was particularly hard hitting for me.  I am a wheelchair user and have had to deal with the same stresses and circumstances as the author.  Unfortunately I failed the test in many respects  for several years.  

For a long time I rejected the idea of acceptance. Not only that, I spent long months in a depression and self-pity state that was most trying for my family.  I stead of looking for answers and having the intestinal fortitude to fight, I simply surrendered without a fight.

It is too bad that this book was not availed to me those years ago when it could have done so much good.  I have somewhat adopted this book as a manual for change that i now recommend to other disabled veterans as well as others who are disabled.  

The best thing about the book, to me, is the down to earth, no no-sense look at disability and the encroachment of the heart and mind it brings to light.  It does not sugar coat the difficulties nor takes the easy way out of the world changing circumstance.  It is so refreshing to read of the issues and the real work of a person from the inside.  

I would think that all Christians, as well as others, could richly benefit from this witnessA of strength and personal walk with God.  Read it one, twice, three times... or as many as you desire, but read it and recommend it to others!

Comment by Dr Wesley B Rose "Dr Ley" on August 1, 2012 at 9:02pm

Between the World and Eternity




Dr Ley



The plight of the Israelites during and after King Solomon is one parabolic styled discussion that finds many seats at the table of today.  It is not enough to know and expose idolatry, much more needs to be accomplished. From this brief narrative we learned that even great kingdoms topple ad great kings made ineffective by pagan living and or turning from God to any substitute.  The idols are the visual manifestation of something deeper and more tragic.  The tendencies of mankind to turn away from God and decide for themselves what is right (or wrong) hid in the hearts of humanity since the very beginning. The experience of the Israelites, in numerous circumstances, become the schoolmaster for us to truly understand how weak man is and how easily old habits can be reborn. This message is emphatic in statement about the moral character of the different kings, especially after the division of the kingdom. This was a problem in the early church and persists today.  Unfortunately acceptance of man's standards is (and always was) in vogue and God is being nudged out continually.  This pagan lifestyle is much like high blood pressure, the well known "silent killer" that claims many lives each year. When morality becomes subject to the whims of man, the accompanying corruption of the soul is deceptive and sulks behind cliché’s, slinks within man-made laws, and only appears as a shadow of society - yet comfortable and familiar. It is therefore the deep influence that divides families, cultures, and nations; a substitute truth for the substitute gods man makes so right and wrong can be adjusted perpetually as needed. Compromise and adaptation to secular standards is the mold from which innumerable idols are made; the abiding presence of falsehood disguised as a secular mindset and lifestyle. It is the substantial substitution of the truth for false beliefs and temporal vision - sacrificing eternity with God for a stack of mammon bread.

Comment by Kenneth Leon Martin on July 23, 2012 at 5:49am

Brother Ley,

I love the things you have written here, but I want to address an issue that truly worries me, American complacency. I have, through social media and in person, been trying to reach people for a couple of years now. Most shake their heads, admit I am right, and go on about their business. It is like someone has stolen their passion.

I don't understand this, how can you lose everything that made this country great, and calmly wave goodbye as if it doesn't affect you? (Not you personally, I was being rhetorical). I am passionate about everything I believe in, but I seem unable to ignite that passion in others, except for a small percentage. 

It reminds me of the old story of Nero fiddling as Rome burned to the ground. Are they mesmerized by the Anti-Christ in the White House? Do they really think they will escape the persecutions to come? That they are somehow exempted from sufferings?

The pre-trib rapture is a myth. It is what we wanted to hear, so it was preached. We are living in the time written of in prophesy. It is beginning, and, just as the bible says, they will not repent and return to God. Heaven help us!


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FBI Text Should Alarm Every American

Lisa Page and Peter Strzok, the reported FBI lovebirds, are the poster children for the next “Don’t Text and Investigate” public service ads airing soon at an FBI office near you.

Their extraordinary texting affair on their government phones has given the FBI a black eye, laying bare a raw political bias brought into the workplace that agents are supposed to check at the door when they strap on their guns and badges.

It is no longer in dispute that they held animus for Donald Trump, who was a subject of their Russia probe, or that they openly discussed using the powers of their office to “stop” Trumpfrom becoming president. The only question is whether any official acts they took in the Russia collusion probe were driven by those sentiments.

The Justice Department’s inspector general is endeavoring to answer that question.

For any American who wants an answer sooner, there are just five words, among the thousands of suggestive texts Page and Strzok exchanged, that you should read.

That passage was transmitted on May 19, 2017. “There’s no big there there,” Strzok texted.

The date of the text long has intrigued investigators: It is two days after Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein named special counsel Robert Mueller to oversee an investigation into alleged collusion between Trump and the Russia campaign.

Since the text was turned over to Congress, investigators wondered whether it referred to the evidence against the Trump campaign.

This month, they finally got the chance to ask. Strzok declined to say — but Page, during a closed-door interview with lawmakers, confirmed in the most pained and contorted way that the message in fact referred to the quality of the Russia case, according to multiple eyewitnesses.

The admission is deeply consequential. It means Rosenstein unleashed the most awesome powers of a special counsel to investigate an allegation that the key FBI officials, driving the investigation for 10 months beforehand, did not think was “there.”

By the time of the text and Mueller’s appointment, the FBI’s best counterintelligence agents had had plenty of time to dig. They knowingly used a dossier funded by Hillary Clinton’s campaign — which contained uncorroborated allegations — to persuade the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to issue a warrant to monitor Trump campaign adviser Carter Page (no relation to Lisa Page).

They sat on Carter Page’s phones and emails for nearly six months without getting evidence that would warrant prosecuting him. The evidence they had gathered was deemed so weak that their boss, then-FBI Director James Comey, was forced to admit to Congress after being fired by Trump that the core allegation remained substantially uncorroborated.

In other words, they had a big nothing burger. And, based on that empty-calorie dish, Rosenstein authorized the buffet menu of a special prosecutor that has cost America millions of dollars and months of political strife.

The work product Strzok created to justify the collusion probe now has been shown to be inferior: A Clinton-hired contractor produced multiple documents accusing Trump of wrongdoing during the election; each was routed to the FBI through a different source or was used to seed news articles with similar allegations that further built an uncorroborated public narrative of Trump-Russia collusion. Most troubling, the FBI relied on at least one of those news stories to justify the FISA warrant against Carter Page.

That sort of multifaceted allegation machine, which can be traced back to a single source, is known in spy craft as “circular intelligence reporting,” and it’s the sort of bad product that professional spooks are trained to spot and reject.

But Team Strzok kept pushing it through the system, causing a major escalation of a probe for which, by his own words, he knew had “no big there there.”

The answer as to why a pro such as Strzok would take such action has become clearer, at least to congressional investigators. That clarity comes from the context of the other emails and text messages that surrounded the May 19, 2017, declaration.

It turns out that what Strzok and Lisa Page were really doing that day was debating whether they should stay with the FBI and try to rise through the ranks to the level of an assistant director (AD) or join Mueller’s special counsel team.

“Who gives a f*ck, one more AD like [redacted] or whoever?” Strzok wrote, weighing the merits of promotion, before apparently suggesting what would be a more attractive role: “An investigation leading to impeachment?”

Lisa Page apparently realized the conversation had gone too far and tried to reel it in. “We should stop having this conversation here,” she texted back, adding later it was important to examine “the different realistic outcomes of this case.”

A few minutes later Strzok texted his own handicap of the Russia evidence: “You and I both know the odds are nothing. If I thought it was likely, I’d be there no question. I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern there’s no big there there.”

So the FBI agents who helped drive the Russia collusion narrative — as well as Rosenstein’s decision to appoint Mueller — apparently knew all along that the evidence was going to lead to “nothing” and, yet, they proceeded because they thought there was still a possibility of impeachment.

Impeachment is a political outcome. The only logical conclusion, then, that congressional investigators can make is that political bias led these agents to press an investigation forward to achieve the political outcome of impeachment, even though their professional training told them it had “no big there there.”

And that, by definition, is political bias in action.

How concerned you are by this conduct is almost certainly affected by your love or hatred for Trump. But put yourself for a second in the hot seat of an investigation by the same FBI cast of characters: You are under investigation for a crime the agents don’t think occurred, but the investigation still advances because the desired outcome is to get you fired from your job.


 Trump Poised To Take
 Control Of The Federal Reserve 

  • The Fed doesn’t stabilize markets and money — it does the opposite
  • President Trump sharply criticized the Federal Reserve this week, saying interest rate increases are hurting the economy.
  • Trump will have the opportunity to fashion the central bank in the image he would like as he has four vacancies to fill on the board of governors.
  • The result could be a more politicized Fed.

President Donald Trump has multiple reasons as to why he should take control of the Federal Reserve. He will do so both because he can and because his broader policies argue that he should do so. The president is anti-overregulating American industry. The Fed is a leader in pushing stringent regulation on the nation. By raising interest rates and stopping the growth in the money supply it stands in the way of further growth in the American economy.

First, He Can

The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve is required to have seven members. It has three. Two of the current governors were put into their position by President Trump. Two more have been nominated by the president and are awaiting confirmation by the Senate. After these two are put on the Fed’s board, the president will then nominate two more to follow them. In essence, it is possible that six of the seven Board members will be put in place by Trump.

The Federal Open Market Committee has 12 members and sets the nation’s monetary policy. Seven of the 12 are the members of the Board of Governors. Five additional are Federal Reserve district bank presidents. Other than the head of the Fed bank in New York, who was nominated by the president, the other four can only take their positions as district bank presidents if the board in Washington agrees to their hiring. One of these, the Fed Bank president in Minneapolis, Neel Kashkari, is already arguing for no further rate increases.

Second, Regulation

Following the passage of the Dodd Frank Act in July 2010, the Fed was given enormous power to regulate the banking industry. It moved quickly to implement a number of new rules. The Fed set up a system that would penalize banks that failed to obey its new rules. These rules included setting limits as to how big an individual bank could be; how much money the banks had to invest in fed funds and Treasurys as a percent of their assets; which loans were desirable and which were not; where the banks had to obtain their funding and many, many, more up to and including how much a bank could pay its investors in dividends.

These rules have meaningfully slowed bank investments in the economy (the Volcker Rule) and they have had a crippling effect on bank lending in the housing markets (other agencies have had an impact here also).

Thus, of all of the government agencies the Fed has been possibly the most restrictive. The president has already moved to correct these excesses by putting in place a new Fed Governor (Randal Quarles) to regulate the banking industry.

Three, Killing Economic Growth

In the second quarter of 2018, the growth in non-seasonally adjusted money supply (M2) has been zero. That’s right, the money supply did not grow at all. This is because the Fed is shrinking its balance sheet ultimately by $50 billion per month. In addition, the Fed has raised interest rates seven times since Q4 2015. Supposedly there are five more rate increases coming.

This is the tightest monetary policy since Paul Volcker headed the institution in the mid-1980s. It will be recalled his policies led to back-to-back recessions. Current Fed monetary policy is directly in conflict with the president’s economic goals.

Moreover, the Treasury is estimating it will pay $415 billion in interest on the federal debt in this fiscal year. A better estimate might be $450 billion if rates keep going up. There are a lot of bridges and tunnels and jobs that could be created with this money.

Then there is inflation. It is likely to rise if the Fed eases its policies. If that happens paying down the federal debt becomes easier. On a less desirable note, higher interest rates lower real estate values. Lower rates that stimulate inflation increase real estate values.

Bottom Line

The president can and will take control of the Fed. It may be recalled when the law was written creating the Federal Reserve the secretary of the Treasury was designated as the head of the Federal Reserve. We are going to return to that era. Like it or not the Fed is about to be politicized.

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