WATCH: U.S. Military Beat Up Border Wall Prototypes, Reveal Test Results

“Not many people are going to attempt to go over 30 feet.”



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30 feet of Concrete topped with 3 feet of electrified concertina wire... should work to keep out even the most aggressive illegal aliens...  by the way it should not cost 25 Billion to build 1,954 miles of border wall.  US Interstate highways ... the production of a 4-lane interstate highway, costs between $4 and $6 million to build in rural or suburban areas... with property expenses, overpasses, access, and rest areas. (see below for how these costs were figured) Interstate high ways with  lanes of reinforced concrete take more materials than a single 12 inch 30' wall to build... so the wall should be cheaper.

Figure the costs for 2000 miles of concrete wall equivalent to a 4 lane interstate highway using 6 million per mile and you have 12 Billion not 25 Billion... We are being lied to again... Either someone is out of their mind or wants to make the wall appear to expensive to build.  However,  Using the 6 million per mile figure for building Interstate Highways in urban areas, a 30' concrete wall, along the entire border, with all of its access roads, maintenance and border patrol facilities should not cost more than 12 Billion... less than half of what others are quoting.

http://blog.midwestind.com/cost-of-building-road/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico–United_States_border

Come on Mr. Nelson, I sent you a link, let have a normal talk for a change??????

No Political Punts.......

Hank, you and Tif and the rest of our members, opt out to  8 to 6 to 1

And let Mr. Nelson be, that kind of information was over the top, opt it now.

Try speaking in English Henry... what the H are you trying to say? I thought we were in agreement... the Wall should be built ... it is effective as a deterrent and the costs are not prohibitive... they are over stated by more than double.

Pres. Trump also questioned the Establishments cost estimates... the estimates I made are based on similar types of construction... reinforced concrete slabs built over a wide range of terrain types.  12 Billion is more than enough to build a new 30 foot wall with all its accouterments. 

Its none of your business man, the comment was directed to us, not you Mr. Nelson.

 English one on one.

Well Hank... last I checked this is a public forum and the 1st Amendment is still functioning, albeit admittedly somewhat marginally.

Rude, abrasive, and unintelligible posts, add nothing to the discussion... 

 I guess Hank was rude, but my comment was for them, we have work to do, and I am not in the position to explain what my orders are to them.

It is not personal, Mr. Nelson, but if I explain in detail what I stated, then the whole world would know my intention.

Please build the Border Wall NOW!! No more evil / satanic / demonic muslims or their muslim brotherhood members or illegal immigrants from muslim brotherhood countries, or illegal drugs!!

United We Stand with Israel-Yisrael and our Judeo-Christian Nation United States of America, Divided We FALL!!

Blessed is a Nation who's our ONE TRUE GOD THE FATHER who art in Heaven Above and HIS SON Jesus-Yeshua Christ and HIS HOLY GHOST ( HOLY SPIRIT ), these THREE are ONE!!

Our ONE True GOD'S LOVE is ETERNAL THROUGH HIS SON Jesus-Yeshua Christ for Today and Everyday Forevermore Everyone!!

Love Always and Shalom ( Peace ) Everyone, YSIC \o/

Kristi Ann

Yep, build the wall !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So America don't turn into a shi*hole

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 Judge Orders Mueller To Prove  Russia Meddled In Election 

Judge Dabney L. Friedrich

A Washington federal judge on Thursday ordered special counsel Robert Mueller’s team to clarify election meddling claims lodged against a Russian company operated by Yevgeny Prigozhin, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to Bloomberg.

Concord Management and Consulting, LLC. – one of three businesses indicted by Mueller in February along with 13 individuals for election meddling, surprised the special counsel in April when they actually showed up in court to fight the charges. Mueller’s team tried to delay Concord from entering the case, arguing that thee Russian company not been properly served, however Judge Dabney Friedrich denied the request – effectively telling prosecutors ‘well, they’re here.’

Concord was accused in the indictment of supporting the Internet Research Agency (IRA), a Russian ‘troll farm’ accused of trying to influence the 2016 US election.

On Thursday, Judge Freidrich asked Mueller’s prosecutors if she should assume they aren’t accusing Concord of violating US laws applicable to election expenditures and failure to register as a foreign agent.

Concord has asked Dabney to throw out the charges – claiming that Mueller’s office fabricated a crime, and that there is no law against interfering in elections.

According to the judge’s request for clarification, the Justice Department has argued that it doesn’t have to show that Concord had a legal duty to report its expenditures to the Federal Election Commission. Rather, the allegation is that the company knowingly engaged in deceptive acts that precluded the FEC, or the Justice Department, from ascertaining whether they had broken the law. -Bloomberg

On Monday, Friedrich raised questions over whether the special counsel’s office could prove a key element of their case – saying that it was “hard to see” how allegations of Russian influence were intended to interfere with US government operations vs. simply “confusing voters,” reports law.com.

During a 90-minute hearing, Friedrich questioned prosecutor Jonathan Kravis about how the government would be able to show the Russian defendants were aware of the Justice Department and FEC’s functions and then deliberately sought to skirt them.

“You still have to show knowledge of the agencies and what they do. How do you do that?” Friedrich asked.

Kravis, a prosecutor in the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, argued that the government needed only to show that Concord Management and the other defendants were generally aware that the U.S. government “regulates and monitors” foreign participation in American politics. That awareness, Kravis said, could be inferred from the Russians’ alleged creation of fake social media accounts that appeared to be run by U.S. citizens and “computer infrastructure” intended to mask the Russian origin of the influence operation.

“That is deception that is directed at a higher level,” Kravis said. Kravis appeared in court with Michael Dreeben, a top Justice Department appellate lawyer on detail to the special counsel’s office. -law.com

Concord pleaded not guilty in May. Their attorney, Eric Dubelier – a partner at Reed Smith, has described the election meddling charges as “make believe,” arguing on Monday that Mueller’s indictment against Concord “doesn’t charge a crime.”

“There is no statute of interfering with an election. There just isn’t,” said Dubelier, who added that Mueller’s office alleged a “made-up crime to fit the facts they have.”

Dubelier added that the case against Concord Management is the first in US history “where anyone has ever been charged with defrauding the Justice Department” through their failure to register under FARA.

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