It has been suggested that The United States Declaration of Independence, was originally written in London England, the very first Document, draft, has stunned the world and this information is slowly make news in America.

 

Undated handout photo of a parchment manuscript of the US Declaration of Independence, believed to date from the 1780s and found in a records office in Chichester, southern England. 

(West Sussex Record Office Add Mss 8981 \via AP)

by Danica Kirka Associated Press

 

A unique copy of the U.S. Declaration of Independence has been discovered in an unexpected place - England.

The copy, similar to the one viewed by millions each year at the National Archives in Washington has been locked away in a local records office in southeastern England forgotten by historians. Its significance wasn't understood until recently, when Harvard researcher Emily Sneff stumbled on a mention in a catalog of the office's holdings. Something tickled her curiosity: the copy was written on parchment.

And when Sneff and Harvard professor Danielle Allen saw the document, they were stunned.

"I thought, 'Holy history, Batman!" Allen told The Associated Press on Monday. "We'd seen a lot of copies, but nothing like this."

Sneff and Allen's sleuthing led to a discovery that could shed new light on the founding document of the United States.

The team studied the document for two years and viewed it in person before sharing their conclusions with other historians last week.

The experts have dated what is now being called the "Sussex Declaration" to the 1780s — a time of political tumult before the Constitutional Convention, when the new nation was struggling to survive as a loose association of states governed by the Articles of Confederation.

The document is 24-inches-by-30 inches — the same size as the one housed at the National Archives. Also like the one at the archives, it is written by hand on parchment — the only two of their kind known to exist.

But there are also key differences. The names are not in the same order. For instance, John Hancock isn't listed first or writ large, and the signatories aren't grouped by state.

Historians believe the Sussex Declaration could have been owned by the Third Duke of Richmond, known as the "Radical Duke" because of his support for the American Revolution. The parchment came into the possession of a local lawyer who represented the family. It was deposited at the West Sussex Records Office in the 1950s.

But it remains unclear how the document got to Britain.

The researchers from the Declaration Resources Project plan to test the document this summer in an effort to clarify its provenance, and perform hyper-spectral imaging in hopes of deciphering text at the top of the parchment that appears to have been scraped off.

What is already clear is that the document was made during the tumultuous years after the American Revolution. Just after the signing of the declaration, copies were reproduced and distributed throughout the colonies and across the Atlantic to England. But the Sussex version was created a decade later and based on the original at the National Archives.

The Sussex Declaration is important because it underscores the arguments that divided the revolutionaries as they moved to establish a country. Historians have long debated whether there was continuity between the declaration and the Constitution or if it was a sharp break. The Sussex parchment suggests continuity. But it also has great import to the general public, Allen said.

One of the major debates of the time was whether the new nation would be based on the authority of the people or the authority of the states. The transcriber meticulously copied the declaration only to jumble the signatories as a political statement, giving weight to the people rather than the states, Allen said.

"This is really a symbolic way of saying we are all one people," she said.

It goes to the essence of debates that continue in the U.S., as typified by the fact that Hillary Clinton won last year's popular vote but Donald Trump became president because he won the Electoral College, which ensures the president is elected by a tally of states.

"This manuscript beautifully illuminates the nature of that puzzle," Allen said.

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King John maintained that he was coerced into drafting Magna Carta and consistently held that the King was above the law... we have that same attitude found in some members of our own government today.  Pres. Trump would be well advised to indict and prosecute several key members of the present and former government ... emphasizing that no one is above the law.  It would serve him well and the people would once more have their faith restored in the rule of law.

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HILLARY CLINTON AND THE DEMOCRAT OPERATIVES AND SOME OF THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT NEED TO READ IT AND REALIZE THEY CAN'T CHANGE OUR DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE OR CONSTITUTION AT WILL. THEY TRIED SO MANY ILLEGAL WAYS TO TAKE THE ELECTION FROM DONALD TRUMP. THEY ARE SO BOLD AND ARROGANT THAT THEY CARE LESS WHAT WE THE PEOPLE THINK. YOU LOST THE ELECTION HILLARY AND OBAMA NEEDS TO KEEP HIS LONG PINOCCHIO NOSE OUT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PRESIDENCY.

The The Declaration of Independence is the statement adopted by the Second Continental Congress meeting at the Pennsylvania State House (Independence Hall) in Philadelphia on July 4, 1776

Undated handout photo of a parchment manuscript of the US Declaration of Independence, believed to date from the 1780s

One of the major debates of the time was whether the new nation would be based on the authority of the people or the authority of the states. The transcriber meticulously copied the declaration only to jumble the signatories as a political statement, giving weight to the people rather than the states, Allen said.

 Do I see a little lie, once this document is carbon dated, will they release the true data.

 

 which announced that the thirteen American colonies, then at war with the Kingdom of Great Britain, regarded themselves as thirteen newly independent sovereign states, and no longer under British rule. Instead they formed a new nation—the United States of America. John Adams was a leader in pushing for independence, which was passed on July 2 with no opposing vote cast. A committee of five had already drafted the formal declaration, to be ready when Congress voted on independence. The term "Declaration of Independence" is not used in the document itself.

John Adams persuaded the committee to select Thomas Jefferson to compose the original draft of the document, which Congress would edit to produce the final version. The Declaration was ultimately a formal explanation of why Congress had voted on July 2 to declare independence from Great Britain, more than a year after the outbreak of the American Revolutionary War. The next day, John Adams wrote to his wife Abigail: "The Second Day of July 1776, will be the most memorable Epocha, in the History of America." But Independence Day is actually celebrated on July 4, the date that the Declaration of Independence was approved.

After ratifying the text on July 4, Congress issued the Declaration of Independence in several forms. It was initially published as the printed Dunlap broadside that was widely distributed and read to the public. The source copy used for this printing has been lost, and may have been a copy in Thomas Jefferson's hand. Jefferson's original draft, complete with changes made by John Adams and Benjamin Franklin, and Jefferson's notes of changes made by Congress, are preserved at the Library of Congress. The best known version of the Declaration, a signed copy that is popularly regarded as the official document, is displayed at the National Archives in Washington, D.C. This engrossed copy was ordered by Congress on July 19, and signed primarily on August 2.

The sources and interpretation of the Declaration have been the subject of much scholarly inquiry. The Declaration justified the independence of the United States by listing colonial grievances against King George III, and by asserting certain natural and legal rights, including a right of revolution. Having served its original purpose in announcing independence, references to the text of the Declaration were few in the following years. Abraham Lincoln made it the centerpiece of his rhetoric (as in the Gettysburg Address of 1863), and his policies. Since then, it has become a well-known statement on human rights, particularly its second sentence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

This has been called "one of the best-known sentences in the English language", containing "the most potent and consequential words in American history". The passage came to represent a moral standard to which the United States should strive. This view was notably promoted by Abraham Lincoln, who considered the Declaration to be the foundation of his political philosophy, and argued that the Declaration is a statement of principles through which the United States Constitution should be interpreted.

The United States Declaration of Independence inspired many other similar documents in other countries, with its ideas gaining adherence in the Low Countries, as well as in the Caribbean, Spanish America, the Balkans, West Africa, and Central Europe in the decades up to 1848.

Sussex: Declaration of Independence The Truth- YouTube

 

Tif, the team and your dad made a video, Snapshots of the document show a date of July 4, 1776, for this The Sussex: Declaration of Independence Of the United States of America

  Titled as-           TR Cengiefs

The Declaration Of The Thirteen States Of America

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Journals of Congress : Containing the proceedings from Sept. 5, 1774 to [3d day of November 1788] ..."

In their images you can not see the date, and the statement of no date is a lie, when you bring up the doc to 50 to 100% x mag, it looks like this

You dad said it looked like the document was nailed to a wall, and a dagger was stabbed into the center of it, later it was as you know, the doc was put in a desk and forgotten about.

Tif, the team and your dad made a video, Snapshots of the document show a date of July 4, 1776, for this The Sussex: Declaration of Independence Of the United States of America

  Titled as-           TR Cengiefs

The Declaration Of The Thirteen States Of America

 TR Cengiefs , which meaning- Cengiefs is willing to hope that the patriotiftri and goad fenfe of your ftate will be influenced \sy motives fo important, and they re- queft, fir, that you will be pleafed

Journals of Congress : Containing the proceedings from Sept. 5, 1774 to [3d day of November 1788] ..."

In their images you can not see the date, and the statement of no date is a lie, when you bing up the doc to 50 to 100% x mag, it looks like this

You dad said it looked like the document was nailed to a wall, and a dagger was stabbed into the center of it, later it was as you know, the doc was put in a desk and forgotten about.

Hank your comments did not post, but dad sent me the images,"Cengiefs " is like a messed up message, kind of weird.

this title"Cengiefs " the document is more like a declaration to build a people's Government, a first draft of Independence for the Republic.   It like the world's largest complaint.

date of July 4, 1776, for this The Sussex: Declaration of Independence Of the United States of America

  Titled as-           TR Cengiefs

The Unanimous Declaration Of The Thirteen States Of America

 TR Cengiefs , which meaning- Cengiefs is willing to hope that the patriotiftri and goad fenfe of your ftate will be influenced \sy motives fo important, and they re- queft, fir, that you will be pleafed

Journals of Congress : Containing the proceedings from Sept. 5, 1774 to [3d day of November 1788] ..."

when you bring up the doc to 50 to 100% x mag, it looks like this

agree, it looked like the document was nailed to a wall, and a dagger was stabbed into the center of it, later it was as you know, the doc was put in a desk and forgotten about.

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BREAKING: Hillary Admits She Was Wrong About ‘Deplorables,’
White Nationalists Only ‘0.15%’ Of U.S. Population

(TeaParty.org) – Hillary Clinton, the failed liberal presidential candidate who sealed her fate by slamming half of U.S. voters as a load of racist, sexist, xenophobic “deplorables,” just came out and admitted she was wrong, Breitbart reports.

Speaking with Hugh Hewitt on his radio show about her book “What Happened,” he asked her if she actually believes that half of the American population are white nationalists and racists.

“Of the 62.9 million people who voted for President Trump, do you have a number in your mind that you think are actually white nationalist racists of that 62.9 million, a real number?” he asked.

“No, I don’t,” she said.

Still have any doubts? Later in the conversation, Hewitt asked the same question again. “Do you think there are more than a half million, you know, honest-to-God white nationalists running around the United States?”

Clinton: “Probably not, no.”

A white nationalist would like to establish a sovereign country for people of white European heritage, an idea everyone across the political spectrum finds unspeakably intolerable and offensive. Now, the woman who declared that this was the desire of more than half of Americans is saying that virtually nobody wants it. On both counts, she’s completely wrong.

There’s no doubt that Clinton is probably going to try running again for president in 2020 – if she’s even alive that long – and might be trying to absolve her guilt and pander to all those “undecideds” who instantly went MAGA the second she blasted them as no-good racist deplorables for not voting Democrat.

However, Clinton did later admit that there were more white nationalists in America than she had thought. Expressing her worries that the internet and the presidency of Trump is giving them a voice and a platform, she hinted that under her iron scepter, she will attempt to silence them.

“Unfortunately, their views, which used to be quite beyond the mainstream, you know, have a much broader audience now, because you know, of being online and having outlets and media presence that can promote those attitudes,” she said.

How many white nationalists are there in the United States? That’s a question with troublingly few answers, since for some mysterious reason the liberal mainstream media – even though it claims all the time that white supremacy is on the rise – hasn’t actually bothered to take polls and just ask people whether they are white nationalists.

Actually, there’s a simple answer to that. If such a poll were to be taken, our bet is that liberals would be very disappointed to discover that almost nobody is actually a white nationalist, and so there would be no way they could continue scaring people with those fears. A tactic Clinton has apparently given up on.

Left-wingers are entirely convinced that some vague but large majority of people who say they aren’t racists or white nationalists, actually share a lot of views with them – which is why Nazi and white supremacist have become interchangeable with Republican and libertarian.

An article by Newsweek, which polled around 5,000 in order address this very question, came up with this response:

About 70 percent of respondents strongly agreed that people of different races should be “free to live wherever they choose” and that “all races are equal,” and 89 percent agreed that all races should be treated equally. At the same time, 31 percent of respondents said they strongly or somewhat agreed that the country needs to “protect and preserve its White European heritage,” while 34 percent strongly or somewhat disagreed and 29 percent said they neither agreed nor disagreed.

Reality is, it’s a little true that some Americans do have overlapping views with white nationalists, but the overwhelming majority of respondents STRONGLY believe that the races should be free, are equal, and should be treated equally. Sounds like none of these respondents would be joining a lynch mob or waging a second Holocaust any time soon – trying to equate the preservation of white heritage with support for slavery and genocide is obviously one of the Left’s biggest lies, and the very reason why 39 percent of people in this same survey believe white people are under attack.

So Clinton changes her mind, and now says she believes less than one percent of the American population are white nationalists – did she believe there were even LESS than that during the campaign trail? Either way, she’s either just lying or plain stupid.

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