Have a T-P Pre-Primary to avoid sure defeat // Implement a drive to recruit and organize into each precinct

This discussion needs your direct support or direct critique that I might respond.  Other idea's please start in a new discussion (note: this has been revised after 400+ comments, but if possible read all of them) thank you for your time: (revised July 20th,'13)

I thought it would be helpful (stike that, it's absolutely imperative!!!!)  to have a T Party pre-primary prior to the RINO primary so we wouldn't split our vote.  That thread sort of grew to the following two steps:

The following two step approach would require a temporary meeting of the minds from the various larger conservative Tea Party factions for the following purposes::

1. Having a pre-primary to avoid the late RINO primary so we avoid splitting our vote and being able to get out there now to campaign because we have some serious hills to climb (our message, government news and funding etc.). But the main point here is that we always split our votes in the regular RINO primary, we need to avoid this.  We need some sort of (temporary or other) unified effort of all the un-unified groups for this purpose.  Make sure you don't miss a word utilized here and that the whole 'idea' is understood.  Along with this we also need to have the above bonded with the following item number 2, as follows:

2. Implement a plan to organize and recruit deep into every precinct for the T-Party.

This would include the larger T-P groups to supply their associated local smaller groups with solid information to be distributed and used as a means to educate both door to door and if possible via ads in their local news papers when feasible. (with an increase in some recruiting, this can work - I've checked out the cost).

We have great web sites on the internet but many republican’s, democrats and independents don’t go there.  We need a serious ground team for all of our upcoming elections.  Many of our small groups are getting smaller and many not associated would like to be contacted by us.  Our idea's are solid but we're mainly singing to the choir.  We need to open our doors and windows and move into our communities. This comment needs a bit more explaining but I know it's solid.  In many of my postings in this discussion, I've explained it better and longer.  In short, we need to 'recruit, educate and promote'.  We recruit first, be fed by the larger groups in order to, move into the streets to inform and when feasible w/ just some higher recruiting - IT IS POSSIBLE for the smaller groups to have 's o m e' newspaper exposure on a regular bi/weekly < > time to promote our beliefs. Also, at your local meetings you need a precinct map where you pin-point what precincts your members live in; with a strong eye on having representation in all of your precincts.  This will probably require to hit the streets some time.  This is where we win or not. This has to be a consistent part of some part of all your meetings, to work these precincts, understand this - this is vital.

I hope more of you will catch this vision.  First, understand it ..... thank you for your time.

PS: please help spread this word about this to your friends and other T-Party groups; as many as you can at this url:


Also: The Patriot Vetting Committee (http://patriotvoting.com) has been offering support to get patriot groups together in each state to do this work in a consensus-building manner.

See Lee Havis posting around page 29 (I think) : lee@patriotvoting.com

In order to organize into every precinct, we will need some tools.  Please watch the two video links below.

They deal with the nuts and bolts of American Politics, so they are boring, but, short.

Never-the-less, they contain needed information.  The last link is to the host site, which if we all used it as part of our political tool box would make a world of difference.

OR HERE: =========================

The "True Business of the Precincts" Part 1


The "True Business of the Precincts" Part 2


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Hillary has started and has the complete tools and ground work of her former boss:


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Ok, this is about to drop off the planet, doesn't anyone have a comment .... good, bad or indifferent ... anything?

We old guys remember that Communism uses "Divide to Conquer", and Hitler read Stalin's books and used it in war. It works. We do all to stay together and influence the best we can on who will be nominated in the Republican Party. Together we stand and divided we fall and I think we all know this! The enemy does all to divide us and we see this, including in our media. Hitler also had a media controlled by his leftist views.

I hear our rock star and red white and blue gun rights advocate is thinking on running for President. Namely, Ted Nugent! Maybe it is because the Secret Service has been tailing him so much and that fact that Ted knows Obama's super mistakes and giant leaps towards supporting a Communist regime in the U.S.! Could be, although Ted did have marriage problems as he admits. He had 7 wives and had 9 children by them. Will swing voters have forgiveness for his past? I am not sure although I would vote for him!

I remember that, growing up in the early 1960s being scared sh#tless of being vaporized by a Nuclear war from Russia.

Daniel - I have posted several times re this article.  I thought I'd respond here as I believe this info would be of great help with this endeavor.

I am very energized by your idea.  The initial step of each state having its own caucus would resolve the problem as to how to begin since there is no one person who could formulate a plan and there are Tea Party Coordinators in most states.  One person who might help in coordinating this would be Jenny Beth Martin, the co-founder and national coordinator of the Tea Party Patriots.  Jenny Beth conducts Webinars on a fairly regular basis.  The Webinars allow everyone to discuss in a group forum rather than attempting to accomplish anything via email (we haven't had one in quite a while).  You can get in touch with Jenny Beth through Tea Party Patriots which has a drop-down for 'Contact':  http://www.teapartypatriots.org/about/   She is also on FaceBook at https://www.facebook.com/jennybethm

There is also a great site for the 'Tea Party 911' at http://www.teaparty911.com/info/locations/texas.htm

At that location, there are links at the right for all of the other states involved with TP 911

Also, I feel certain that Jenny Beth would have email addresses for State Coordinators of Tea Party groups other than "Tea Party Patriots" which is the group I am associated with.

I would pursue this myself; however, at 77 years of age, I often cannot think of words and would not do the best job of presenting this to her.  I do have her email address which, of course, I cannot share here in this blog; however, if anyone had any suggestions or thoughts to share, if you post them here, I could send them on to her.  If there are any questions or ways I can be of help with this, please post here by responding to my post.

Gerri Irvine

Daniel - one more thing in addition to my post (directly above).  Not everyone reads all the comments when there are many pages to go thru.  I read one just posted by Ronald Nelson, Col.USA (page 9) and am taking the liberty of copying one of his paragraphs.

"In any event, the Tea Party and Patriot movement should ORGANIZE for primaries and caucuses immediately.  If the various conservative groups are unable to come together to support unified candidates this election cycle it could be over for our Constitutional Republic.  We must work to effectively unite the various patriot movements at the State level.  We need State Leaders capable of pulling together the disparate conservative groups to form a coalition for government reform. We must find ways to resource and finance viable challenges in the primaries and caucuses to the institutional GOP incumbent. We must find ways to challenge those vulnerable Democrats in their own primaries, by offering the conservative Democrat a Tea Party Candidate... we need to focus on seats in both party's primaries.  Ideally, we end up with two Tea Party Candidates facing off in the General Election... a Democrat and a Republican......The Tea Party must unify the 'Conservative Movement'  within their State. Ideally, they should  organize and call for a State Conservatives Convention."

I think he has the best idea!!! Contact all of the groups he listed in his post (page 9) and call for a State Conservatives Convention!

What do you think????

As I stated in another posting, I am not familiar with much of the lose and many individual groups within and surrounding the T-Party.  I only had this vision of a pre-Rino primary so the vote would not be split AND the need for us to organize 'much better' down into the individual and all of the precincts whereby we could form small regional groups to fund periodic newspaper informational spots in their local newspapers w/ assistance from the larger groups to feed them solid information ... (boy that was a mouthful:)  Other's like yourself know the management structure .... I would say, just send them (everyone or all of them) a link to this whole line of postings and let them read it.  There are people much more informed than me to take it and RUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.  It's like drill baby drill:).  Send this link to this whole line of comments and let as many as possible read it.  The vision is there, go for it and bless the Lord Amen:)

Gerri: Great post.  I have to tell you and everyone, I am not up to date as to how the T-P organizations are laid out.  All I know is that they are somewhat individual.  I would suggest to you and anyone else, send them a link to this whole discussion.  This whole idea (tp pre primary and organizing a ground team deep down into all precincts came to me in one whopping vision (not an out of body one:) ha,  But I know enough about this sort of thing to know that it was a wow kind of moment.  I've been telling people about this for over two years!!!  This is the first time anyone listened but I persisted.  Send them the link to this site, let them read all the postings:


Thank you for your time, you're a great American.


I believe that this is very possible. Many like me are so disgruntled toward the Repubs/Demicans and we see that by all indication they are in kahoots with one another.  Like Savage says all of the time, two card Monty, and referrs to the shell game and there is no pea under any of the shells.  You have millions of people who are "independent" in the core values, as in "Life, Liberty, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS." The illegal regime in dc is AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT OUR CONSTITUTION REPRESENTS.........as in a  Constitutional Representative Republic, as in throw out all of the illegal Czars, and the regime that currently occupies dc.  Send the misery back to Kenya where it all belongs, and let them have their socialist dictatorship, NOT ON AMERICAN SOIL, OBLAMEA AND HIS MINIONS ARE MOST UNWELCOME!!!!!


I think it is a fantastic  Idea.  It would put the RINOs on notice that we, the TeaPartyPatriots are going ahead with our  plans for a conservative government.  They can either lead, follow, or get the Flock out of the way or they get run over. We are not going to let the RINOs and the corruptocrats dictate who the conservative candidate will be.  We have had enough of the doles, the bushes, the mcPains, the rubios, the christies the romneys etc. We want someone with the guts and ability and desire to bring our country back to greatness and to be respected by other nations, with  sound fiscal policies. Palin, Bachman, Cruz come to mind a viable candidates.



Right on TeaPartyPatriots!   However, the RINOs have the money and the connections while we have the passion. The RINOs want to preserve their power and influence; we want freedom and justice for all. The RINOs command the airwaves and can spew their propaganda at will (observe Karl Rove - everywhere) while we have to talk to each other.  If we are to mount a silent, peaceful and constructive 'revolution' it will have to have a guiding Force behind it propelling it forward cohesively.  And remember, I'm only mentioning the RINOs as our opposition; we haven't even considered the lengths to which the radical/liberal Democrats will go to!  I think we need a superhuman "Mentor" suporting us - and I for one will start my own personal  appeal for Divine Direction, and considering the awesome odds against us, I rememberthat:  "All things are possible to those who love the Lord." If God be for us, nobody can successfully come against us.  And if that sounds just too corny for words to Atheists' ears - I'm sure even they can be useful at some stage! So, all you true believers, say a little prayer - and then  let's get on with it and do the best we can where we can. So many of you have amazing talents; it's awesome!



Let's  do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with the factor of 10 to the 28th power!




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Judicial Watch->  Emails Show Dossier-Connected Obama State Dept Officials Set ‘Face-To-Face’ Meeting On ‘Russian Matter’ Shortly Before 2016 Election

Judicial Watch and the Daily Caller News Foundation on Thursday released 84 pages of documents showing Obama’s State Department was central to pushing the ‘Trump-Russia’ hoax shortly before the 2016 election.

The email exchange between then-Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and Special Coordinator for Libya Jonathan Winer, a very close associate to Christopher Steele, show them discussing a ‘face-to-face’ meeting in New York on a ‘Russian matter’ in September of 2016.

Via Judicial Watch:

Judicial Watch and The Daily Caller News Foundation today released 84 pages of documents, including a September 2016 email exchange between then-Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and Special Coordinator for Libya Jonathan Winer, a close associate of dossier author Christopher Steele, discussing a “face-to-face” meeting on a “Russian matter.”

(In June 2016 Nuland permitted a meeting between Steele and the FBI’s legal attaché in Rome. Nuland told CBS News that the State Department knew about the Steele dossier by July 2016.)

According to an op-ed Winer wrote for The Washington Post in 2018, also in September 2016, “Steele and I met in Washington and discussed the information now known as the “dossier… I prepared a two-page summary and shared it with Nuland, who indicated that, like me, she felt that the secretary of state needed to be made aware of this material.”

A September 17, 2016, email exchange between Nuland and Winer – that was classified in the interest of national defense or foreign policy – discusses the political situation in Libya, but also brings up a “Russian matter:”

From: Winer, Jonathan
Sent: September 17, 2016 at 12:40:00 PM EDT
To: Nuland, Victoria J
Subject: Re: Libya Update

Would like to discuss this and a Russian matter.

From: Nuland, Victoria J
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 1:31 PM
To: Winer, Jonathan
Subject: Re. Libya Update

In ny face to face?

From: Winer, Jonathan
Sent: September 17, 2016 at 1:56:05 PM EDT
To: Nuland, Victoria J
Subject: Re: Libya Update

Yes that was [sic] be good.

From: Nuland, Victoria J
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 1:58 PM
To: Winer, Jonathan
Subject: Re. Libya Update

Good. I’ll reach out when im there Sunday. [Redacted]

If Victoria Nuland’s name sounds familiar it’s because she has been on Judicial Watch’s radar for a long time and in many of TGP’s previous reports.

In December 2018, Judicial Watch released documents revealing that Victoria Nuland was involved in the Obama State Department’s urgent gathering of classified Russia investigation information and disseminating it to members of Congress within hours of Donald Trump taking office.

In a related lawsuit, Judicial Watch is suing the State Department communications between Ambassador Nuland and employees of Fusion GPS, as well as top ranking Department of Justice, FBI, and State Department officials.

“The Obama State Department was central to the effort to target President Trump with the Russia smear,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “These new emails further show that senior Obama State Department advanced the Russiagate hoax just before the 2016 presidential election.”

Tom Fitton   @TomFitton

BREAKING: Obama State Department was central to the effort to target President @RealDonaldTrump with the Russia smear. New emails show how senior Obama State Department advanced the Russiagate hoax just before the 2016 presidential election.

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