Is ISIS responsible for the Las Vegas Terrorist Attack... Who is more credible, the MSM or ISIS?

ISIS claims responsibility US Media says No... who is more credible?  What a quandary, we face when the MSM becomes so untrustworthy that we would give ISIS more credibility.

Social media is abuzz charging that racist, bigoted, “Islamophobe's”... are the only one's taking the Islamic State’s claim seriously.  It should be noted that credible sources, who have never been accused of “Islamophobia", have said that the Islamic State is generally trustworthy, when claiming responsibility for an attack.  Statements of support for ISIS's credibility, regarding claims of this nature, have been made on several occasions, many prior to the Las Vegas attack.

In view of all the evidence and reports to date... there is more evidence and reason to support ISIS's claim, that the massacre in Las Vegas was a jihadist attack, not the work of a 'lone wolf' assailant.  However, that doesn’t fit the establishment media's NARRATIVE, nor the agenda of law enforcement.  Therefore, don’t expect ISIS's culpability to be announced forthrightly by authorities, anytime soon, if ever.

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I know I just read this report also..thank you.

 Where would you like to go with this ?

I expect the FBI and CIA too properly investigate all leads instead of automatically rejecting ISIS's own claims that they are responsible.  I expect the Government to investigate the claims by ISIS that the shooter convert to Islam.

I also, expect the FBI and CIA too investigate the claims of multiple shooters and the videos that appear to support such claims. I wonder how many spent shell casings have been recovered from Paddock's Hotel Suite.

So would I, but for now the media is creating their own little stories. Opps type o !

LOL Tif

 In viewing some of the recorded material I am left with the suspicion that there were indeed multiple shooters. The audio from these recordings, unless they were doctored, shows that more than one gun was being fired simultaneously, and from distances that varied as well.

What type of weaponry was used.  I see a photo of an AR15 or M16 in cameo, but nothing else regarding the number of guns Paddock was allegedly firing. 

Do the lower windows of the hotel have the capability of being opened? If not, then where is the evidence of broken windows on the 12th floor?

Acoustics in a city setting regarding reports from gun fire can be misleading, unlike fire in open country where echo is not a factor. Also, the fact that gunfire was recorded as rapid fire and nonstop for extended periods of time, tells me that more than one gunman was firing. M16's can be burned up on full auto with extended magazines capable of holding in excess of 30 rounds. And I heard in excess of 30 round sustained firing in what was recorded.

I know for a fact that an M14 with a 50 round drum magazine can fire it nonstop on full auto, but you have one hot damned barrel afterwards, and you won't be firing another 50 round mag immediately after the first one.

Where did this lone wolf get all this hardware, illegal hardware, and all the ammo. And what exactly was the hardware?  Does anyone know how many shots were fired? It would be important to know these facts.

Paddock did not act alone.  Was he the only shooter? I do not know until these questions are answered.  I am sure he was not.

Notice also that in the recorded sound of gunfire that the rapid continuous fire seems to slow before coming to a stop. This indicates multiple weapons being fired. What do you folks think.

I also seen a video that stated the shoots were fired from the 4th floor, and some stated there are reports of two shooters, we have a video of the police report, claiming two shooters, we will have to wait and see.

Dale...

Just so you know... a BUMP STOCK is not an illegal item.  It is a system that uses the recoil to reset the trigger, thus optimizing the rate of semi-auto fire... one doesn't pull the trigger for each round... it is the Bump Stock that resets and pulls the trigger.  It is a system that maximizes the rate of fire  under semi-auto conditions.

The rate of fire using a Bump Stock... is slightly less than full auto... and actually makes the gun more controllable than full auto. My son in law has one and I have fired it.  By using a bump stock on actually gains better control of a weapon approaching the rate of fire in full auto mode.

Thanks, Col. Nelson, even though I am very familiar with Bump-Fire Stocks and the technique.

In my opinion, if full automatic weapons are prohibited by law, then the means to convert semi to full is an illegal act, including the Bump-Fire stock.  As a matter of fact it is quite simple to convert a semi to full auto in military weapons. All that is required is a couple of tools from the tool box and a little, not much, knowledge.

While bump-firing is not precisely the same as full auto it is pretty damned close to it.  But, why spend hundreds of dollars to convert an AR 15 to full auto with a Bump-Stock when you can convert it in 15 minutes with a couple of household tools?  Not that I am recommending somebody do that, I am not.

Full auto, in my opinion, is a waste of money. Not to mention illegal.

 As of now, No, they are not involved, there is no evidence to support their claim. By presenting ISIS propaganda video's they have involved them self. This is now back firing against them, a big old fashion Kiss My A·· ISIS has been sent to them.

We found the video on youtube, at around 5 minutes, you will see gunfire that is not from the 32nd floor.

Vegas Shooting Taxi Driver's Video ! Must Watch B4 Well You Know , The Take Down !- YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEf7HObspB0

Isis is horrible.. Our media is horrible.. like someone said.. they can rule out any affliation with ISIS in less than 24 hours.. but after 8 months of investigation into Russia/Trump collusion, they still can't rule that out.. even though they have 0 proof

Hi Betty,

 As of now, our network team is ruling out ISIS Terrorist being involved, their two propaganda videos that they posted and our team exposed only shows they seek to intimidate Americans, by their claims, they only made Americans more angry, unless evidence is provided, there will be no further updates by our team on this issue.

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TEA PARTY -> Lois Lerner Case Explodes:
IRS Docs Link McCain’s Office To Tea Party Attacks

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Since announcing his brain cancer was terminal, Arizon Sen. John McCain has continued to make headlines, but not due to his medical status. Instead, it has been one controversy after another revolving around him, and now one more had been added to the list.

This one is based in his dislike not for Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, but of the tea party.

McCain has never really endeared himself to conservatives, and he made his feeling public about the tea party movement at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor in 2015, according to a Yahoo report.

“I think also — I probably shouldn’t say this — but some of (the tea party) appeals to the bad angels of our nature rather than the better angels of our nature,” McCain said.

This attitude ties into the latest scandal swirling around McCain.

One of a number of scandals that plagued President Barack Obama and his administration involved the IRS targeting tea party groups after 2010. It seemed that their tax-exempt status requests were denied or delayed due to intense political partisanship in the agency.

In May 2013, The Washington Post reported that the IRS’s exempt-organizations division director Lois Lerner “let slip” the week prior “that low-level IRS staffers had focused extra scrutiny on conservative groups with words such as ‘tea party’ or ‘patriot’ in their names.”

In addition, “internal reviews have shown that Lerner knew about the targeting in 2011 — but neither Congress nor the public knew until (2013).” Despite this, Lerner was never prosecuted and was allowed to retire with her taxpayer-funded pension intact.

This did not change, even after House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Kevin Brady, a Texas Republican, and Tax Policy Subcommittee Chairman Peter Roskam, an Illinois Republican, wrote a letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions. In it, they begged him to reopen a probe into the matter, according to Jay Sekulow, chief council for the American Center for Law and Justice, writing in a commentary for Fox News.

When President Donald Trump was sworn into office, some held out hope that the perceived injustices from Obama’s tenure would somehow be made right. However, in September 2017, Trump’s administration had already preemptively declined to pursue criminal charges against Lerner “based on the available evidence,” according to Fox News.

But more has since been uncovered about the scandal. Government watchdog group Judicial Watch has obtained and released “internal IRS documents, including material revealing that Sen. John McCain’s former staff director and chief counsel on the Senate Homeland Security Permanent Subcommittee, Henry Kerner, urged top IRS officials, including then-director of exempt organizations Lois Lerner, to “audit so many that it becomes financially ruinous.”

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JW President @TomFitton: Much of what you know about the IRS scandal is thanks to JW... Our new docs show the scandal is bipartisan in nature. A McCain staffer suggested Lois Lerner audit all of the 501(c)(4) groups in a way that'd be financially ruinous.

Meeting notes from April 30, 2013, involving Kerner, Lerner, “and other high-ranking IRS officials” were obtained by JW. With the meeting taking place only 10 days before the IRS scandal exploded into the public view, they are particularly incriminating against Kerner and Lerner:

“Henry Kerner asked how to get to the abuse of organizations claiming section 501 (c)(4) but designed to be primarily political. Lois Lerner said the system works, but not in real time.”

“Henry Kerner noted that these organizations don’t disclose donors. Lois Lerner said that if they don’t meet the requirements, we can come in and revoke, but it doesn’t happen timely.”

“Nan Marks said if the concern is that organizations engaging in this activity don’t disclose donors, then the system doesn’t work. Henry Kerner said that maybe the solution is to audit so many that it is financially ruinous. Nikole noted that we have budget constraints.”

“Elise Bean suggested using the list of organizations that made independent expenditures. Lois Lerner said that it is her job to oversee it all, not just political campaign activity.”

Thus far, there is no evidence that McCain knew about or directed Kerner to take such action. It is plausible that Kerner, knowing of McCain’s dislike of the tea party, opted to be a proactive and loyal staffer by urging the IRS to take action against the groups.

But McCain’s personality does little to keep him far removed from the scandal and tongues are wagging with speculation as to his involvement. Regardless, McCain’s frosty relationship with President Donald Trump has not made the Arizona senator many fans among Trump supporters.

New suspicions about him betraying the tea party won’t help matters at all.

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Chelsea Handler Says Fox Doesn’t Work With
Black People, Obviously Doesn’t Watch Network

Humor is supposed to be based on truth. After all, the reason we laugh at a joke or scenario is because it triggers a feeling of recognition about reality, especially if it’s presented in an unexpected way.

It doesn’t look like “comedian” Chelsea Handler has a very firm grasp on truth or reality, however.

After a production error during a Fox News broadcast was called out by users on Twitter, the raunchy and sex-obsessed Handler tried to bash the network … but ended up showing off her ignorance instead.

“Fox News honored Aretha Franklin by using a graphic that contained a photo of Patti LaBelle,” the comedian and television host posted on Twitter Thursday evening.

That part was true enough: Fox admitted that they made a mistake on a background slide during a tribute to the late soul singer, and accidentally showed a faded photo of LaBelle. The main image still showed Franklin, who passed away on Thursday in Detroit.

Broadcast television is complex, which you would think Handler understands after being involved in TV for many years. Honest mistakes happen on every network. But no: In Handler’s alternate reality, the only explanation for the mistake was racism.

“It’s probably hard for anyone who works at Fox News to tell black people apart because they’ve never worked with any,” she declared.

Chelsea Handler  @chelseahandler

Fox News honored Aretha Franklin by using a graphic that contained a photo of Patti LaBelle. It’s probably hard for anyone who works at Fox News to tell black people apart because they’ve never worked with any.

Was she trying to be bitter or funny? It was hard to tell, but either way, that statement shows just how isolated the Hollywood left is from reality.

If she really believes that Fox has “never worked with any” black people, maybe she should try an experiment: Actually watch the channel for a minute.

She would probably tune in to the face of Harris Faulkner, the enthusiastic and Emmy-winning host of “Outnumbered,” which airs every single weekday.

Or, maybe she could get a clue from Deneen Borelli, another well-known face of Fox News for nearly a decade. How about the venerable Juan Williams, co-host of “The Five” and a “Fox News Sunday” regular for over 20 years?

Nah. They apparently don’t count, because Handler would rather live in an alternate reality of ignorance than admit she was the one making racial assumptions.

We’re not finished! Moving on to frequent guest contributors to Fox News, how about Candace Owens? Brandon Tatum? Ben Carson? Larry Elder? All of these smart individuals are familiar faces at Fox, and all are — look closely! — African American.

That’s saying nothing of the behind-the-scenes staff at Fox, a good number of whom are of course black. In fact, it’s completely possible the photo mix-up was accidentally made by a black employee. Handler openly assumed the race of the staff members who made the error, while knowing nothing.

Once again, the left has tipped their hand and revealed just how elitist and out of touch they are.

Handler has likely never turned on Fox News in her life, yet she thinks she’s an expert on it. She eagerly diminishes and waves away the contributions of black Americans to one of the most popular news stations in the nation, while lecturing others about race.

This type of attitude implies that only “liberal approved” black voices count. If they don’t parrot a 43-year-old white comedian’s politics, they’re invisible to her.

That arrogant view, and not an honest editing mistake, is perhaps the real outrage here … and it’s exactly why so many black voters are walking away from the left.

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