A member reports that his local gun store in Front Royal sold $100,000 worth of AR-15s in one day. We should avoid using the phrase "gun control", but rather use "gunowner rights denial". Guns don't get controlled; people do. Such a gunowner rights denial should take a constitutional amendment.

What do you think? Is the debate about guns or rights?

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It's absolutely about rights--not the right of the people to own guns for hunting or personal defense, but the right of Americans to defy tyranny.  If you analyze the available statistics on gun crime and gun laws, it is unquestionable that there is no positive link whatsoever between the availability of guns of any type and crime rates--if anything, the opposite is true, e.g. more guns lead to lower crime rates.

The "progressives", or communists, as we should rightly call them, have proven through copious action and inaction that they don't care the slightest bit about saving lives.  Their only purpose is to deny us the ability to resist their plans to establish a dictatorship over America.  To deny us the ability to fight back when they suspend the Constitution and send government thugs into our homes to search and seize whatever they choose, and when they start arresting and taking the property of those who speak out against them or their agenda.

If we allow the Second Amendment to fall--even incrementally, as is the standard practice of the communists--then the rest of the Constitution will fall soon thereafter.  This is about ALL rights, not just gun rights.  This is about the survival of a once free nation.

Mr. Strasser, you made your point very eloquently, I agree with you 100%. Thank You.


The 2nd Amendment has been whittled away at for decades. Every restrictive gun control law is a violation of the 2nd. There are no qualifiers or exceptions in the text/language. Regardless of whether we may agree with it or not, prohibiting ANYONE (including formerly convicted felons and/or crazies) from keeping and bearing arms violates the 2nd. Remedy? Amend the 2nd to reflect the desired exceptions. However, that could create a very slippery slope that would make more people "felons" or be clasified as "crazy".

I beleive the 2nd is good just as it is. What we need to do is force people to have to be more responsible for their own safety.

The US Constitution is suppose to be the supreme Law of the Land. It's a contract between the States as to the powers the Fed government has and the limitations thereof. All laws made by the United States must be in Pursuance of the Constitution (Article VI, paragraph 2). All other powers are reserved to the States, or to the people (10th Amendment)

Jerry Morris--Regardless of whether we may agree with it or not, prohibiting ANYONE (including formerly convicted felons and/or crazies) from keeping and bearing arms violates the 2nd. Remedy? Amend the 2nd to reflect the desired exceptions.


Common Jerry--Did you think we were going to bypass what you posted here?  We all agree I am sure with you on a NO Restrictions on gun control--Period,  but when a person HAS violated their right to bear arms by endangering someone else's rights, by pushing a gun in their face or even worse, shooting/killing them, then they lose the right to gun ownership. 

These people are imprisoned and they pay the price back to society for their crime.  When they get out of prison, they continue to lose their right to own or use guns anywhere in the United States. 

We just have to do this guy for the protection of the masses.   Just because someone puts in 10 years or even 20 years for killing someone with the use of a firearm, doesn't mean that they have been rehabilitated.

The 2nd Amendment is NOT good as it is pal.  Sometime back in 1994 the "REAL" assault rifles were banned.  That law should be overturned.  Still, it is the people who are criminals who are the law breakers using those guns.  Stiffer penalties should be set for those who use guns in the process of a crime.  That's WHY capitol punishment works, but law makers are pussies about putting someone to death, but they don't mind the killing of babies---thousands of them being aborted every year.

 I believe in the degrees of Hell for people who allowed, even perpetuated the laws to include partial birth abortion of a child.

Very well said!!!       So many have sacrificed their lives to fight communism---now it thrives in our own white-house...

We deserve to own the same types of weapons that the radical terrorists will most certainly have,you see the weapons obummer has supplied to the rebels in other country's,it is only because it will advance the

goal of the muslim brotherhood into our country,world domination,they'll never succeed even the bigger

nations like Russia can over take Israel,he will be up against "God's" favorite people he won't let them be taken over,Russia will turn tail and run back to Russia,then China will try but they to will fail,"Our God" is great and never fails!!! "NEVER FAILS."

Prime example is the Concealed Carry License that is offered by many of the States now. They are currently getting the good, honest gunowners who are by all efforts complying by their laws. Right to Carry was ours in the first place! They took the right to carry away from us, and in return eventually would ration it out as a "Privelidge" by virtue of a Concealed Carry License.  Charles Schumer once quipped to the NRA that "The Second Amendment is not absolute, get over it NRA!" I'd beg to differ, no not to Schumer, however to fellow Patriots and the Freedom loving Americans that are still the majority despite the media slant against us.

Absolutely,  it's about Rights ..It's about our Constitution and our Bill of Rights that these "Communists have decided doesn't suit their purpose, of desolving the US of A into their own private empire .. Citizens and any "Rights" be damned ..Wake up folks they are destroying this Nation an inch at a Time ..

GOD help us  before we fall ..

    The debate SHOULD be about rights ,  guns are inanimate tools that have no rights or wrongs .  there are camera clubs , they focus on photography , not their tools the cameras .  There are flying clubs but they concentrate on the flying , not on the machines . etc: etc : 

 Couldnt agree more, the govt has been buying up the bullets to make them cost more for us and they are using our own money to do it with,nice huh . You can buy russian ammo,isnt that ironic. We are in big trouble,and if this bozo is cornered,whew,watch out,anything is possible.

We don't have a president any longer, he wants to be a DICTATOR Congress better act according to constitutional law soon, VERY SOON.

 Does anyone else feel that we have been outplayed and we are not catching up to them. Listen,67-70 % of americans,in every poll said no to obamacare right,if that was republican as president and these same figures were in play,would that republican president tell the american people to go screw, ABSOLUTELY NOT !. That is the difference between commies and us,they dont care about anything except what they want and they would do anything to obtain without hesitation and life is expendable,anyones.





Rush Limbaugh Explains How Robert Mueller
Will Attempt To Financially Destroy President Trump

 Special Counsel Robert Mueller has crossed President Trump’s “red line” after issuing a subpoena for documents related to the Trump Organization’s business dealings with Russia.

New York Times reports:

The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has subpoenaed the Trump Organization to turn over documents, including some related to Russia, according to two people briefed on the matter. The order is the first known time that the special counsel demanded documents directly related to President Trump’s businesses, bringing the investigation closer to the president. […] The Trump Organization has said that it never had real estate holdings in Russia, but witnesses recently interviewed by Mr. Mueller have been asked about a possible real estate deal in Moscow. In 2015, a longtime business associate of Mr. Trump’s emailed Mr. Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen at his Trump Organization account claiming he had ties to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and said that building a Trump Tower in Moscow would help Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign.

Radio host Rush Limbaugh theorized on his program Friday that one of Mueller’s true objectives is to financially destroy President Trump.

Partial transcript via Breitbart News:

And these requests, the subpoena for documents from the Trump Organization, I ask you again, what has that to do with the campaign and with collusion and with the Russians? They’ve already been looking into Trump business in Russia with the Miss, what is it, USA, whatever his pageant is.

Do you all remember during the early days of the campaign there was news that Trump, in a tax return something like 20 years ago, took a $900 million deduction that was granted and survived an audit by the IRS? Now, I forget the details. It had to do with losses that he had incurred in that year in building things. It was around 900 or $920 million deduction. I’ll never forget when it was reported because most people will never come close to ever having that in a lifetime, and to have a guy personally write that much off?

Anyway, I think Mueller wants that $920 million back. I think Mueller wants to prove that that was a faulty deduction. I think that they want to go back, they want to get Trump’s tax returns because they want to nullify that $900 million deduction, and then they want to collect 20 years of interest and penalties and wipe Trump out.

In the meantime, President Trump’s lawyers are in the process of negotiating with special counsel Robert Mueller to bring the Russia probe to an end, reports Rebecca Ballhaus and Peter Nicholas of the Wall Street Journal.

Mueller’s tentacles continue to reach further and further.

CNN reported that investigators are attempting to determine whether former Blackwater chief Erik Prince misled the  House Intelligence Committee about a meeting he had in Seychelles in January of 2017.

Prince is accused of using the meeting as an opportunity to establish a secret back channel with Russia.

Fox News’ Catherine Herridge spoke with one of President Trump’s personal lawyers about the new subpoena request by Special Counsel Mueller.

According to Herridge, Trump’s lawyer was unaware of the subpoena and said it may be a ‘wrap up’ subpoena or ‘clean up’ subpoena which may signal the end of the investigation.


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