We don't know what actually happened... we don't have the transcripts of the conversations between Gen. Flynn and the VP... what we do know is that Gen. Flynn doesn't recall the full details. It is possible that the VP and Flynn both misunderstood what was said... it being a very small part of their interaction and many conversations during a period of hectic activity.
What I object to is the failure of the Trump Administration to nip this in the bud... to invoke Executive Privilege and too make the case that Flynn acted legally when talking with the Russian Ambassador... Flynn was not acting as a private citizen, and he did not engage in official diplomatic negotiations, as prohibited by the Hatch Act. He was a member of the Presidential Transition Government, operating under the Presidential Transition Acts of 2010-2016. His communications should have been protected under Executive Privilege.
However, the Trump team failed to communicate their position effectively... Trump needs a White House Communications Director too coordinate such activities and the defense of his administration's officials... that has not occurred yet.
Col, you are perhaps right... they are learning.. nobody steps into the morass of Washington with full knowledge of how to respond to every crappy situation.. but I bet they learn FAST.. Hopefully !!! and hopefully the dissidents will fade with time as his policies and actions bear fruit!
Ron, I totally disagree with you. PRESIDENT Trump did not throw Gen. Flynn under the bus. Gen. Flynn didn't remember if he had spoken about sanctions - or he lied when he spoke with the VP. PRESIDENT Trump had met with Gen. Flynn for two hours, Gen. Flynn had apologized to VP Pence - all was fine. Whatever, a "good soldier" falls on his sword for his commander so this administration could move forward. The left is enraged that PRESIDENT Trump won and that we the voters dared not to vote for KILLary - they are doing everything to punish us.
What you need to look at is WHY IS THERE A GOVERNMENT OFFICE LISTENING IN TO PRIVATE CITIZENS' PHONE CALLS TO RUSSIA?
At the time of the call, Gen. Flynn was a private citizen. A government agency listened into the phone call between him and a Russian envoy, then transcribed the entire conversation and "leaked" it to the NY Times and other media to totally discredit the WH. Why is there a traitor group in the government out to destroy our country?
The left is completely unhinged and trampling on our rights, destroying our government, destroying the peaceful transition of power from one president to the next duly elected president, delegitimize our PRESIDENT whether you like him or not - PRESIDENT Trump is the PRESIDENT. But Organizing for America an OWEbama foundation is at the bottom of this...developing his shadow government - membership is already 32,000 with ads in papers to hire more to attend a training meeting in March to disrupt the orderly government of our country...teaching them to be anarchists at meetings as they were at Jason Cheffetz Town Hall meeting, Berkley, NYU, etc. Go to meetings early, sit 1 or 2, no more than that - not in a group, sit everywhere in the meeting room, but especially near the front, at the first opportunity, take over the meeting by screaming, yelling, disrupting, etc. aimed at Repubs to make it appear that their constituents don't support them so they'll lose upcoming elections.
I believe that the Presidential Transition Acts of 2010 - 2016 provide the President Elect and his transition team certain official government privileges, to engage in the peaceful transition of government, from one administration to another... Thus the Hatch Act does not apply to Gen. Flynn. He was acting as a member of the Presidential Transition Team, in an official government capacity, as authorized under the Presidential Transition Acts. He was not a private citizen engaging in diplomatic negotiations.
You can bet that soros is underneath OWEbama, he has to be there somewhere.
Those two are like that dirt that remains under your rug after you vacuum.
Soros is the carrier of the disease. He IS the spirit of anarchy, treason and deception. He IS IT.
Apparently Flynn did something he shouldn't, it's good to know that screw-ups have consequences, far different than the previous REGIME!
Therein lies the dilemma.... APPARENTLY... is not necessarily DID Happen. Given the number of conversations and topics that are discussed by members of the Administration everyday and the presumptive efforts of the MSM too find the slightest discrepancy in how those conversations are recalled... this incident only foreshadows many more to come... unless Trump gets a White House Communications Director capable of derailing such crap... and it is crap.
First, there is Executive Privilege .. in part it is necessary to stop such trivial claims by others that result from dubious misstatements by members of the Administration being blown out of proportion. Private telephone and personal conversations between members of the Administration and foreign dignitaries are privileged information, subject to release or sequester by the President under Executive Privilege.
Next, the President's legal council needs to insure that he is giving the best legal council and alternatives in such matters... In this case, I believe the President did not get good council. Two things... One, the Hatch Act did not apply to the conversation between Gen. Flynn and Russia's ambassador, there were no diplomatic negotiations taking place. Two, executive privilege should have been invoked, and any questions regarding the leaked conversation quashed... ignored by the Administration.. with the explanation that such conversations must remain private, to protect the prerogatives of officials to engage in free and open discussions.
Finally, the throwing of Gen. Flynn under the bus speaks to the weakness and naivety of the current Trump Administration... they need to mature quickly or be eaten by the wolves in DC. This is just the beginning of many such incidents... leaks by this Administration must be stopped.
Agree.. good points.
"Whose" next? The correct spelling is "WHO'S!" Maybe the author should return to grade school!
Thanks for the English lesson... I probably need some sleep, more than a grammar lesson. Have a great day.