Are Republicans fooling themselves about ObamaCare?

 

When Washington conservatives gather to talk among themselves, and the discussion turns to Obamacare -- it happens pretty frequently -- it's not unusual to hear predictions that the president's health care law will "collapse of its own weight." It's a "train wreck," many say, quoting Democratic Sen. Max Baucus. It's unworkable. It's going to be a big, smoking ruin.

Some predict chaos beginning Oct. 1, when the law requires Obamacare exchanges, the online marketplaces in which people will be able to shop for insurance, to be up and running. And maybe that will happen; the day is a little more than two months off, and the administration seems far behind schedule in the work that needs to be done.

On the other hand, a lot of thoughtful conservatives are looking beyond Oct. 1 to Jan. 1, the day the law (except for the parts the president has unilaterally postponed) is scheduled to go fully into effect. On that day the government will begin subsidizing health insurance for millions of Americans. (A family of four with income as high as $88,000 will be eligible for subsidies.) When people begin receiving that entitlement, the dynamics of the Obamacare debate will change.

At that point, the Republican mantra of total repeal will become obsolete. The administration will mount a huge public relations campaign to highlight individuals who have received government assistance to help them afford, say, chemotherapy, or dialysis, or some other life-saving treatment. Will Republicans advocate cutting off the funds that help pay for such care?

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There is an old saying that the only certainties in life are death and taxes.  Now we can add the preferential treatment of obamacare to that list.  Why prefrential?  As this monster becomes reality, obama will exclude more and more special groups and expand his "rebates".  The huge public relations campaing has already began and will only grow bigger, all at the expense of tax payers and the money will be drained from medicare by Sebilas ro extorted from the companies she overlooks.  But then again, why should we care?  After all, "every one that needs medical coverage will be able to get it", which in reality is the biggest lie of them all because even with all the deals, the rebates, the schemes, millions will still be uninsured.

America, you got what you wanted when you elected this scum bag.  Its the rest of us, the unemployed, workers of two or more jobs to survive, that have to pay for your hope and dream president.

Ms. Choate, but had not the US Supreme court said that OBAMA CARE was a TAX.

Those who voted for it knew damn well it was a train wreck.

Why we even pay attention to anything these people say anymore is beyond me.

Why we remain obedient and allow their authority over us is even more amazing.

They knowingly screwed us and now they can knowingly unscrew us but they won't.

They INSIST we live with the TYRANNY they IMPOSED on us.

http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/11/18/valerie-jarrett-there-will...

Hell to pay huh Val?

Right back at ya babe.

Ah!  you forget, Pelosi's famous words:  "Let's pass it to find out what's in it".  No one read it.

Right, just like they want to do with Amnesty, ram it through before anyone really knows what's in it. (Except the ones ramming it through.)

I heard she was talking about a bowel movement but we misunderstood when she misspoke and at what point does it  really make a difference (matter) anyway?

I think you are fooling yourselves that defunding it will solve the problem.  It has to be repealed.

Yes, they are fooling themselves but not fooling we the people.

They are pushing their base to the libertarian/conservative movement.

Only true Republicans will vote to defund Obamacare. The rest are simply RINOS. They have no standing and are gutless.

Mr. Hahn, I do so agree with your statement, just one question how many republicans have the TESTOSTERONE to vote their common sense feelings.

And don't forget, Bruce.......we must find a way to get these useless lumps of flesh out of office.  They are totally worthless and even dangerous......they have to go if this country is to survive!

I've noted that Karl Rove has gone public with his poo-pooing the Heritage Foundation assessment that Senator Lee's defunding effort is useless. There is outright lying going on regarding Obamacare. My opinion is defund the US budget at the end of September and defund Obamacare from the budget. To permit it to be funded, hoping that it will collapse is wishful thinking.

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GOP Activist Investigating Hillary Clinton’s Lost Emails
Found Dead — Apparent Suicide By Black Plastic Bag Republican activist Peter Smith was found dead in his hotel room in May 2017 in Rochester, Minnesota.

The hotel staff found Smith with a black plastic bag on his head. He was trying to obtain Hillary Clinton’s lost emails.

UPDATE: Mueller and Congressional investigators have interviewed Smith’s acquaintances several times. Our sources say there is much more to this story.

The Wall Street Journal reported:

Peter W. Smith, a Republican political activist and financier from Chicago who mounted an effort to obtain former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s emails from Russian hackers, died on May 14 after asphyxiating himself in a hotel room in Rochester, Minn., according to local authorities. He was 81 years old.

Mr. Smith’s body was found by a hotel clerk in the Aspen Suites hotel, located across the street from the Mayo Clinic, according to a Rochester Police Department report. An associate of Mr. Smith said that he had recently visited the clinic. A representative for the facility wouldn’t confirm if Mr. Smith was a patient.

Mr. Smith died about 10 days after an interview with The Wall Street Journal in which he recounted his attempts to acquire what he believed were thousands of emails stolen from Mrs. Clinton’s private email server. He implied that Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, then serving as the senior national security adviser to presidential candidate Donald Trump, was aware of his efforts…

…The police report said Mr. Smith was found by a hotel clerk with a plastic bag around his head attached tightly with black rubber bands. Mr. Smith “left documentation on why he committed suicide, medical records, his written obituary, and life insurance” on a table in his room, the report said.

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A 33-year-old lefty from Cambridge, Massachusetts named Brandon Ziobrowski was arrested Thursday after offering anyone on Twitter $500 to kill ICE agents.

Ziobrowski also expressed his desire to slit John McCain’s throat in several tweets.

FOX News reported:

A Massachusetts man was arrested in New York on Thursday after trying to hire a hit man on Twitter to kill ICE agents for $500 and sharing his desire to slit the throat of Sen. John McCain, federal officials said.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Massachusetts said that Brandon Ziobrowski, 33, from Cambridge, Mass. was charged with one count of use of interstate and foreign commerce to transmit a threat and injure another person for the alleged Twitter posts this year.

Federal officials said Ziobrowski tweeted a murder for hire solicitation to kill Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents for $500, and repeatedly tweeted his desire to slit the throat of McCain, R-Ariz.

“The agents and officers out there enforcing federal laws are doing their job, plain and simple,” U.S. Attorney Andrew Lelling said at a news conference. “There is a difference between public debate and putting others in fear of their lives.”

Federal officials said Ziobrowski in March started tweeting threatening messages against federal agents that work for ICE.

On July 2, the 33-year-old allegedly tweeted: “I am broke but will scrounge and literally give $500 to anyone who kills ICE agent. @me seriously who else can pledge get in on this lets make this work.”

The Justice Department released a statement on the arrest of Ziobrowski:

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